Can you guys explain in detail why i feel like crap after welding

He didn't say "welding for 18 hours a day" at all .

as far as medical evidence goes , here is ONE .

High dietary calcium intakes reduce zinc absorption and balance in humans

RJ Wood and JJ Zheng
Mineral Bioavailability Laboratory, Jean Mayer US Department of Agriculture, HNRCA, Tufts University, Boston, MA 02111, USA. wood_mb@hnrc.tufts.edu

Optimal calcium intakes of 37.5 mmol(1500 mg)/d have been proposed for elderly people. We investigated the effects of calcium supplementation on zinc absorption and balance in 18 relatively healthy, postmenopausal women aged 59-86 y. All subjects received a standardized basal diet of typical foods supplying 269 mumol (17.6 mg) Zn/d and 22.2 mmol (890 mg) Ca/d during the 36-d study. In two of three experimental periods, an additional 11.7 mmol (468 mg) Ca/d as either milk or an inorganic calcium phosphate supplement was provided. Net zinc absorption and zinc balance were significantly reduced by approximately 2 mg/d during both high-calcium treatments. In a second study, conducted in a separate group of men and women aged 21-69 y, a whole-gut lavage, zinc- absorption test was used to investigate the acute effect of a 15-mmol CaCO3 (600 mg Ca) supplement, with and without extra zinc, on zinc absorption from a single test meal supplying 111.7 mumol (7.3 mg) Zn. Zinc absorption was reduced significantly by 50% when the calcium supplement was given with the meal. Inclusion of an extra 119.3 mumol (7.8 mg) Zn as part of a calcium supplement offset the detrimental effect of calcium on zinc absorption. Our findings suggest that high- calcium diets can reduce net zinc absorption and balance and may increase the zinc requirement in adult humans.

 

Positional blood flow restriction, pressure on the diaphragm, and light-activated seizures are all very real possibilities. I was a safety officer in the steel mills and have seen all three. SEE A DOCTOR!!!!

 

Evidently, reading is not your strong suit so I've highlighted the statement in question in red.
Your evidence, while compelling has nothing to do with zinc poisoning but with dietary zinc intake in elderly people
Fail

 

I hope I'm saying this right---- BOO YAH!

 

GIRLS GIRLS

 

x2! Especially if you are welding Galvanized metal! It definitely doesn't hurt to wear a respirator and have some suction going at point of arc!

 

A friend of mine was a welder all his life and has developed a condition in his brain caused by breathing in welding fumes.

It is a permanate injury and needs to be medicated and cared for the rest of his life for a serious mental condition.

Make sure when you weld to get plenty of fresh air and wear protective equiptment.

 

I was a welder for almost 40 years and I feel fine!

 

I have been a welder for about 17 years and gave it up because of economy issues etc. I have had some health problems don't know whether its related to some of the crap I mig over the years. I think there has been some good suggestions on here. I would definitely go see a Doc and not just one if the first doesn't listen. I am curious if you could try a tig and see if it effects you the same though just a thought. I did get tested for high metal contents a couple of years ago and the metal name evades me at the moment but its in Tig tungsten and I was really high in that for some reason. I went thru the celation (sp) to clean me out. I don't know if it helped anything or not.

 

It might be a vagal response compounding the congenitle 2nd degree block causing bradicardia and hypotension.
In English, straining in a crouched position can cause the heart rate to slow.
The second degree block you were born with will cause you to drop a beat every now and then, that's why you have a slower than normal pulse rate at rest. The straining, holding breath and concentration triggers the vagal response that slows the heart rate. If you have some extra weight that can compound the problem.
When the heart rate slows "bradicardia" the blood pressure drops causing hypotension. The symtoms nausea, sweating, weakness, slurred speech, seeing spots, light headedness and temporary cognitive mental problems.
Breathing the fumes and lack of oxygen all can compound the problem.
You need to see your doctor and give a detailed description of what happens to you. If you have to, write it down.

 

Guys i called into all my docs and no returned calls yet, i did try a lincoln welder andni get the same reaction, my other friend said its the electrical impulses that are affecting me not the fumes or the rays. I have a $400 miller helmet and great safety gear. For now im not welding anymore until i get a solid diagnosis on this. It was scary the other night driving home i was so out of,it and dizzy i am lucky i made it home safe. It could be hypertension or who knows what. I am thin build thank God im not overweight. Also some guys in this thread mentioned being in an awkward postion or holding breath but that is not the case. If i simply do 3 rosset welds on a test piece of metal sitting, standing or whatever i feel the same reactions.

 

Time for a Corvette?

 

I have been the welding trade since 1975. in all the years I have had flash burns, burned skin, and metal fumes poisoning.

when I get a physical I ask the doctor if there is anything showing up that could be related to welding. welding can bring toxins out of metal if it has been exposed to anything that has left a residue behind and when the metal is heated by a gas flame or an electric arc the material is turned to a toxic gas.

go to a doctor and get a physical. tell them all the problems you are having. make them check everything possible.

GO TO A DOCTOR AND GET CHECKED OUT.

 

What about vertigo brought on by unusual head position.I have been bothered occasionally when I`m under my rod working .As we get older it can become more of a problem. There is a manuver that can help ,my son swears by it.I foget it`s name but if you search vertigo you might find it Good luck

 

there are lactose free milks

 

Just an off the wall question in my mind. How old is your welder, and what kind of amp rating is it, I have an old 40 yr+ P&H that I still burn a stick with the foot control, around the farm, because I have enough lead to do it and I can. NOW I want to see what kind of Magnetic load my body takes when I am welding close to it??? not worried but concerned

 

My Mig is a brand new Millermatic 211, use it at 110volt or 220

Just another note i have a hypotherm plasma cutter and can use this for an hour straight with no issue except the smell bothering me. The plasma also must generate some serious juice from the trigger. Butni feel fine afterwards minua the stench and bad tastenim my mouth when cutting parts with rust or paint.

 

I feel like crap after welding because I look at what I did and then realize I really suck at it.

 

I am a professional medical oxygen man and I can tell you from many years experience that welders have the worst lungs at a younger age and often get cancer and they live much shorter lives than the rest of us.

 

Yes buddy, without a doubt the toxicity of the fumes are to a degree commutative. I do not use any pharmaceutical drugs for personal believes but you need high dosages of vitamin C, sink and magnesium. The Gama light also is absorbed by your body and milk will help you to process it.

Good luck, Dan

 

I got manganese poisoning years ago [ from always hand washing parts in UNLEADED race gas ]
The first symptom was my co-ordination , my speech was like Keith Richards [ my friends said it was an improvement ]

If you start feeling like shit immediately after welding ,I would guess that the toxic levels in you are at the limit [welding takes you over the edge a bit ]
Get medical help before it is too late. you'll need some serious detox

Remember , contrary to popular belief that "you live only once" which is wrong. "You live every day and you die only once"

 

HA! Me too!

 

I had the same exact experience. Handled gasoline and similar materials for decades without a problem. Then one day BIG problem. My hands and feet swelled up with extremely painful blisters to twice their normal size. Now I wear surgical gloves in the shop, no more issues.

Had a hell of a time getting it diagnosed, too. For one thing, most every chemical in an automotive shop is petroleum based. I tested negative for everything so I tested again, when I tested positive for everything.

Then one day I read where one teaspoon of gasoline cupped in your hand will show up in your bloodstream 60 seconds later--skin is that absorptive. That's when the light bulb illuminated over my head. You have to take an active, aggressive role in your own care. The doctor may be skilled but he doesn't live in your skin. You are the only one who really knows where and how it hurts.

 

Kitchen or bathroom?

 

See attached - should answer questions and provide guidance on how to stay safe.

 

Drinking milk is an old school technique used in the past for welding galvanized. What it supposedly does is coat the stomach and throat and keep the LEAD fume, yea guys its LEAD, from absorbing into your system. Tis is complete bullshit and only masks the absorption of LEAD into your system. E right thing to do when you have to weld galvanized, painted, powder coated or materials that are coated is to GET THE PROPER RESPIRATOR from your safety or welding supply. I have been in this industry for 32 years so I have see the worst of the worst. Protect yourself guys and gals, that means skin, eyes and lungs and don't do what the dipshits on Saturday morning TV shows do when fabricating. I have used many of their stupid episodes as examples of what not to do in my welding classes that I have taught. It is a shame that there are so many young and talented fabricators out there that don't protect themselves and they will simply die younger and painfully. Good luck with your diagnosis

 

Its been several months since i posted in this thread and wanted to share an update that should be taken seriously.

I have welded still on ocassion and have still always had the same reaction of fatigue, dizzyness, jitters, massive migraine and a spike in my blood pressure.

Over the last few months i have discussed this issue with a few doctors, engineers and graduates from MIT and Cornell medical.

So what appears to be happening is a two fold issue.

When i tend to prep any bare steel if it has any oil i use an autobody prep sol cleaner and degreaser, not brake cleaner and i hope you guys know what happens when welding metal that you cleaned with brake cleaner, well you end up dead in most cases from the toxins produced from the residue

The prep sol isnt as caustic but it still is giving off some sort of fume that seems to affect me and others, we did a test between friends. So for a while we thought this was the culprit to my issue but it lies much deeper

I have a heart condition since birth known as second degree heart block. Long story short my heart rate at rest is super low around 36-42 on average, when i stand or move around my heart jumps up to a normal pace. When i am very active it climbs rapidly like an atheletic runners would but when i stop what i am doing my rate drops rapidly back to around 40 making me dizzy and light headed and sometimes a mild tension headache. I would get this reaction when i used to weight lift or run as a kid for a long time i just would rum out of steam and get dizzy, headache etc. so i have conditioned myself to never overdo physicall activity.

So the condition with my heart block is caused by an electrical impulse interuption between chambers, kinda like a car that runs with really crappy ignition timing, it will run but not perfect. I never had issues daily for 40+ years living a normal active lifestyle for the most part unless i over excersised.

I had 3 very comprehensive sleep studies done and it amazed me that my heart stopped several times into what they call Full Heart block , i think the longest interval was over 90 seconds. My brain would shock my body and in my sleep and cause the heart to spike back up. I do have obstructive sleep apnea but very mild to minor which varies on my allergies and nasal congestion which is much more controlled last few months. When apnea is bad you wake up with your heart racing because your body goes into shock from lack of air

Now when welding there are very high levels of magnetic fields created which if i was to have a pacemaker it could cause my pacemaker to just stop i heard. But according to all the input i have recieved my body has become more hyper sensitive as i have gotten older. The welding magnetic field is triggering my heart to beat fast, stop and slow all out of whack beyond a normal means. As a result of my bodies fight or flight response it spikes my blood pressure way up to correct my heart beat as my brains involuantary means of staying alive. It causes my respiratory response to clench up and slows my intake of oxygen. panic mode, So there happens to be a number of things going on here which is quite amazing if you ask my opinion. The reactions i get from welding are reactions of severe hypertension and chronic COPD combined. Doctors have all confirmed this.

Just thought id fill you guys in and if anyone here has a similar or identical heart condition and welds it would be great to know if and any reaction you get.


I plan to do one more live test very soon once i figure out how to do this in my garage. I want to gear up to weld with a live heart monitor and blood pressure monitor to see exactly the levels and how fast they spike. Once i do this for my own curiosity i am selling all of my welding equipment and handing in my gloves.

I hope this info i posted enlightens some be it a super rare case or not this could eventually affect you down the road.

 

from everything you have written, - maybe you should hang up your gloves now and forget what may be your "last" test - just for your curiosity.

 

Okay so I may be a young blood these ate the facts as I know them. Always weld in a properly ventilated area. If I don't have the overhead doors open or the exhaust fan running the fumes kill me. Secondly these days we are taught to never weld galvanized the fumes are deadly and toxic. My neighbor an old hot rod and carpenter in his mid 70's was told by his doctor that the light emp from a 110 welder or his circular saw was causing his heart problems. His solution to not giving up his career or hobbies. He wears a lead vest! No bull shit. Guys I may be young but I take no chances. I'm two years in remission from non hogkins lymphoma. I will never take a chance with my health again. I still weld and all that I just take all precautions.

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Afriend had similar symptons,he lived close to overhead ''high voltage'' power lines.
Have you had your eyes checked lately.I'm a welder and drank milk just to get rid of the rotten taste it leaves.It iznt rocket science,use a pedestal-fan to blow the fumes away,it works for me.Best of luck,Gaz!