Canadian versions - good or bad?

Rusty O Toole gave a good rundown on why Canadian Pontiacs after 1955 have Chevy powertrains. It's not just the powertrain - the entire chassis & much of the inner sheetmetal is Chevrolet on 55 & up cars.

Basically, GM of Canada stamped unique outer body panels - they look like American Pontiacs, but scaled down as required to fit the shorter Chevy platform. Thing is, they did such a good job of making the Canadian panels look like American ones that some people don't realize there's a difference. It becomes a problem when you can't figure out why the rust free Catilina fenders you bought won't fit your Parisienne....sometimes you have to learn stuff the hard way...but I'm older and hopefully smarter now.

There are some other pretty cool cars out there - the "Custom Sport" is the Canadian version of the 2+2, available with the same powertrains as an Impala SS, and they are really cool.

 

A couple other Canadian Pontiac tidbits:

• In the early-mid sixties, Pontiac was the best selling car in Canada, even beating Chevrolet & Ford.
• If you went to a Canadian Pontiac dealer who was willing to work with you, it was still possible to order an American Pontiac up here, but because of the import taxes they cost quite a bit more; they were pretty rare. There were a few big cars imported here, but it became more common with the GTO.
• Canadian Pontiac dealers had a version of the Chevy II/Nova called the Acadian from 1962-1971. Lots of smaller Canadian town only had a Pontiac / GMC dealership so this gave them a car to sell. They are basically a Chevy II with a Pontiac style split grille & different emblems. There was a model called the Canso - it would be the equal to a Nova SS. They are pretty cool & rare; the 1966 with the 350hp 327 is pretty much the one to have, just like with the Nova.
• They also got a intermediate to sell called the Beaumont - it's a Chevelle with a split grille, Pontiac-looking taillights, and a Tempest/GTO dashboard. Same deal - all Chevelle powertrains available. The 396 is called a Beaumont SD. They made Beaumonts from 64-69.
• Even though the Acadian & Beaumont were sold at Pontiac dealers and are referred to as Pontiacs, they do not have the Pontiac name anywhere on the car.

 

When Canada and the US signed the auto pact in 1965 the import taxes went away; cars and parts could flow freely across the border each way, so the Canadian cars changed

• The Acadian went away when US Pontiac dealers got the Ventura II - GM of Canada just imported American Ventura's to sell here.
• The Beaumont went away after 1969. Starting in 1970, GM Canada started assembling Tempest/Lemans in Oshawa using American parts; this lasted until the 1977 models (I think). All the sheetmetal & trim were the same as the US cars; the powertrains could still be Chevy. It can get confusing, because it changed from year to year. For example: in some years if you bought a Lemans with a 350 you got a Chevy 350, not a Pontiac. But if you ordered a 400 you got a Pontiac engine.
• In 1970 only, they also made GTO's & The Judge in Oshawa. Exactly the same as the US cars, except they never built RamAir IV cars in Canada - those were imported US cars and there were not many imported.

I know some of this musclecar stuff is going to offend hardcore HAMBer's, but it's good info....

 

Here are a couple from a local show last weekend:


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Pontiac sedan delivery by mr57 posted Dec 22, 2011 at 5:10 PM

56 Pontiac sedan delivery by mr57 posted Jan 11, 2014 at 10:20 AM

The blue sedan delivery was mine. A 56 that originally was a 261 3 speed car. The red one is another NICE 56. Canadian stuff is neat. I also had a 51 Monarch that I recently sold. Somewhere in my photo albums squirreled away in the basement I have pics of a white 57 Pontiac business coupe with no back seat.

 

There were also Canso Sport Deluxes. A friend of mine has a '65. Another friend has a factory 327 4 speed '65 Beaumont Sport Deluxe convertible, rare car.
And the SD or Sport Deluxe is basically a trim package, on the earlier cars (pre-68) at least, you could get the Sd package on small block cars, i have seen quite a few over the years. The younger brother of the guy with the convert had a factory 4 speed 65 ht that had been passed through people we knew since the car was 2-3 yrs old, first through local mp racer Bruce Perkins, then Rob Charlton had it starting in the early seventies, then my buddies middle brother, then to his youngest brother,, who sold it to Scotty at Carline Muffler in Maple Ridge in the mid nineties, after that, I lost track of it.
There was also another factory 327 4 speed '65 SD ht I used to see in Surrey in the early 80's. All were buckets/console cars.

 

One other one I'll mention, there was a white on red L-72 4 speed '66 SD in my hometown growing up in the early seventies, belonged to Andy Mckenzie, car was BAD-ASS, m-22, 4.56s, would show up at the street races with slicks on it, 11 second street car in the early seventies.
Everyone thought it was actually a factory L-72, me included. A few years later, when I was doing my machinist training, there was this older guy in my class, we started talking cars. One day I started telling him about Andy McKenzies Beaumont, he told me he had bought it new and sold it to Andy, and it had been a 360hp/396 m-20 car.

 

Interesting follow-up. I was talking to 29Bowtie at the Ocean Park show today, and the subject of Rob Charlton came up, just recently, Robs younger brother Pete, who had briefly owned the above car about 30 years ago, has bought it back from Scotty. So it comes around almost full circle...

 

It's not really clear to me what the differences are/were for GM, specifically Pontiac, but from what i "understand," i think you got the better deal;

Unless you like torque(and even then it's not a significant difference) then i think you got a better deal in that chevy engines are always cheaper and easier than pontiac engines not that pontiac engines are bad.

 

Saw a newspaper article years ago about Packard's new Canadian plant in the mid 1930s. It said they imported engines, body panels etc from the US but used locally sourced parts and materials wherever possible. Things like paint, glass, rubber, upholstery, hardware and other parts that could be bought from Canadian suppliers.

The McLaughlin Buick started out in 1912 as an imported Buick chassis with body designed and built by McLaughlin in Oshawa. They were different bodies from the American made cars, and considered superior. In 1923 Buick showed a McLaughlin at the New York auto show alongside the regular models but had to take it out after the first day, too many people wanted to buy it.

I think when they went to all steel bodies this came to an end. They last used the McLaughlin Buick name in 1938.

 

But you could go into a Canadian dealership in the early 60's and order a Pontiac with a 409...

 

...any other opinions?


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I'm scrounging up Monarch bits for my custom, I love the unique stuff we got here .


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Yes, you should have kept it!


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I don't know much about their cars other than the square wheels but I think George is a pretty cool Canadian version of a hot rodder. This site is boring as hell, shout out George. Come down south and say hi some day.

 

About 5 years ago, a friend bought a 1956 Meteor Rideau Crown Victoria somewhere in SoCal and brought it back to Wyoming. The previous owner had stripped of it's Crown Vic parts to convert a '56 Fairlane into a Crown Vic, which we thought was rather strange, as this Canadian car was really solid, floors frame and all. He had several Crown Vic parts cars, and set about piecing it back together. Umfortunately, his understandi g of federal income tax laws differed from the IRS, and the last I heard, they had taken everything they could find. That was the only Canadian car I had ever have ever seen in person, I wonder where it is now. Peacock blue over white.

 

We got RHD cars from Canada in complete knocked down (CKD) form for many years, laters were imported bodies however early bodies were built locally. For years I didn't realise that Canadian GM was different to US body and different again to our local Ozzie GM although they all looked the same.

 

Something different... an old timer brought this to work earlier this week. Unrestored original that his Dad bought brand new...


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I always thought the Acadian an Buemont grills looked a step up from the Chevy 2 and Chevelle grilles.

 

Beaumont , my bad

 

If you want to shave those gunsights off your '57 Chev, use a Canadian Pontiac hood. As a kid, I really wanted those round American Pontiac tailights because they were so scarce but with those repros it's just not the same deal.

 

My grandmother had a 64 Chrysler Saratoga which was a Canadian only model. From what I can recall it had more chrome bits than the American Windsor equivalent. Wish I had a colour pic of it handy.

 

My 52 Mercury M1

 

58 Ranchero...one of 52 built that year

 

Hello,

So, where to those nice Meteor sedans go? Well, I saw one in So Cal and talked to the owner for a bit.

I found out that it has its 2nd 289 OHV in this Canadian version of a 1962 Mercury Meteor model. The Meteor has been owned since 1991. It was purchased originally for his daughter as a daily driver. But in time, the owner has used it as his vintage surf car. Including a nice looking twin fin cruiser surfboard for the So Cal waves.

What a difference, the old versus new. In So Cal, there are plenty of contrasts in vehicles. Some want the newest thing to hit the showrooms, the cars and coffee events and spend a ton of money in the process. Some like to own their old reliable 60's sedans since the 1990 season, even as used cars. They are old hot rod/cruiser guys that like to keep what feels good on the road showing some style in the process.
A brother from another mother...

I found out that it has its 2nd 289 OHV in this Canadian version of a 1962 Mercury Meteor model. The Meteor has been owned since 1991. It was purchased originally for his daughter as a daily driver. But in time, the owner has used it as his vintage surf car. Including a nice looking twin fin cruiser surfboard for the So Cal waves.

Twin fins had their era on the waves back a decade or two, ago and took a lot of power to keep the forward motion down-the-line action going. But, to make a cutback, the second fin did its intended job and made the sweeping turns stay locked in place without spinning out. These days, it is just another way to enjoy riding any type of wave.

The tri fin has such a strong foothold that any other form just does not have a chance to make a resurgence or push out the “king” for these times. If two fins did the nice cutback, roundhouse turn, adding the third deeper center fin made it much smoother and secure in the radical moves.

Jnaki


Old, but, new...


If the Mercury Comet taillights are not a choice for a custom tail light installation, how about a Mercury Meteor Sedan from Canada with some unusual cool looking taillights?

These are from a 22 year owned, local So Cal Mercury Meteor sedan. The USA version of a 62 Comet
has its own style, but for single, cool, finned taillights, a Canadian Meteor is different. YRMV