car broke down HELP ANYONE?

drivin on freeway, about 70mph.... (damn you guys, not sure why you all are scared of bias plys, LOL).... car started feeling funnny, even heard a little ticking before i pulled to side of road, noticed temp was WAY hot, and car died before i could get to a stop... car runs hot always, about 210',,,,, went up to 250 anbd died... sometimes before it would hit 230' on the freeway.... but anyways, coolant EVERYWHERE, not on block, by radiator... i dont see any leaks at all, no hose troubles... NO idea whats wrong, maybe water pump was goin, and is finished now? its original... idk, ANYONE wanna way in on this... today my car was a trailer queen, LOL, on way back to my house on a flatbed... anwyays, SOMEONE needs to give me idea...

btw - 51 plymouth cambridge... everyone says they run hot anyways, but this is odd to me... still has flatty 6 in it... anyone got ideas?

 

first thing i'd check would be the thermostat to see if it's stuck shut.

 

JUST dropped new one in, old one was stuck open... hmmm.... think new one could go bad that fast? worth a try i guess, not like i havent lost coolant already, LOL

 

Don't think I'm insulting your intelligence and wrenching skills, but I've seen it done before--thermostat was put in the correct way, right? Not 180 degrees backward so coolant can't flow through and it won't open? I've bought "blown motor" cars before with this problem...and feel free to call me an *** for asking the question, I've got pretty thick skin.

 

might see if the water distribution tube is still intact, if it's rusted away water won't get to the back of the engine, iirc. This tube hides behind the water pump and is a ***** to get out.

you put the thermostat in right side up and filled the engine full of coolant, I ***ume.

 

yeah boys, right side up, im sure, even though you guys are makin me think, LOL..... filled with coolant, made it easier to overfill all over the place/road.... LMAO...... anyways, that was like 2 days ago, car was driven atleast 80 mniles since then, problem would have been faster, dont you think?



**** man, you guys make me think, LOL.... i think i put it in same way as old one.... maybe cause oil change, car was more fun to drive, i was pushin harder, but if radiator isnt seeing the cars heat (due to not gettin pushed through), how does it over heat? and how does coolant end up everywhere... **** man.... which way does spring side go again, LMAO..... now you got me wonderin

 

ps----- i would rather feel dumb and fix it for free, TRUST me.... cost enough with the tow ($135)..... freakin like 40 miles from home when it happend! now im thinkin of EVERYTHING i can remember.,.. i know i changed oil today, car dipped a little bit in oil pressure after about 10 miles, but i would imagine it was workin its way through the ****ty old oil into the p***ages and stuff, and still wasnt low... 40psi or so.... also, oil filter was a freakin roll of toilet paper, all ol skool like... so i took it out, didnt replace cause i didnt have any extra, LOL.... so some is up in filter holder i think too.... lemme know boys~!

 

[might see if the water distribution tube is still intact, if it's rusted away water won't get to the back of the engine, iirc. This tube hides behind the water pump and is a ***** to get out.]

it's not that bad, it's alot easier to put back in. when i had my motor rebuilt i made sure that thing was cleaned really well.

 

anyone else wanna weigh in??? its about time for me to go out there and look, and i just wanna have a good idea here.............

 

what about the radiator cap? as they age they hold less pressure. oh, and don't run without an oil filter. you can still get the drop in style filters.

 

oh yeah guys.... now, car wont turn over.... checked thermo, think it was right way, im still very angry and half asleep.... but even with a lil starting fluid, car wont turn over, gas in the fuel filter, so pump is working.... DAMNIT, after changin oil and **** you would think she would be happy!

 

radiator is actually out of a newer car, like mid 70s gm...... cap looks fine... damnit, i just dont know whats up... keep the ideas comin!

 

i'm gonna go out on a limb and say you done pushed that flat six too hard! 70 on the interstate with the temp guage at 250? son, you realize you are supposed to drive according to the gauges, not record the reading when it blows up on you? at the very least you should slow that mofo down when the temp rises! i think the problem may center around your oil change, you say you took out the toilet paper filter and replaced it with nothing? what condition was the filter in, what kind of sludge was being held back by the filter that you now let flow thru the engine?

after cooling off does the engine turn over? if not, do not p*** go, do not collect $200, you're done!

 

kinda harsh man... car does 65-70 on freeway at about 2200rpms... i dont think thats too hard to push it man.... oil filter was toilet paper, so who knows whats in there... block turns FINE, just wont start up.... head gasket? what do u guys think.... i could use a lil more than, you pushed it too hard, motors done... cause honestly, these motors are workhorses, i dont drive it hard, and they can do that speed fine... mines not stock, got 2 pot intake, dual manifolds, she runs nice, i dont race it by any means, but it does well on the freeway...

 

oh, and for starters, pull the plugs so it's easier to turn and see if you can get it to budge.

 

oh, and PS,. i DO watch gauges ... was at about 220 for whole trip down, trip back up, just shot up REALLY fast when i pulled over, like something had just gone wrong, im not a ***** man.... no need to give me lessons like youre my father, just asking for advice

 

what do you mean "block turns fine"? does the engine turn over or not?

 

starter cranks it over, just wont catch my friend... so block isnt froze up, just wont catch.....

 

hey what i'm tryin to do is help. i'll go do something productive if you think i'm being a jerk. good luck!

 

im just sayin man, right away you are like snappin on me like im a 16 yr old kid with his first car... car does fine on there... but anyways man, please help out, i need ideas here, goin NUTS... motor turns, doesnt catch spark or something, has fuel

 

anyone else?? need help!!! i gotta get her up and goin for road rockets show nexst weekend!

 

I'd check for spark, might be you tore a wire off someplace in your oil change and engine examination

 

Anyone Else Got Any Ideas?

 

If it got hot and blew coolent all over the engine, it may also have coolent inside the dist cap. Could of fried the points, shorted out the condenser, or ruined the inside of the cap.

If you really wanted help, you should have given us all the info about the motor you knew, would have eliminatined a lot of guess work.

By not replacing the filter eliminate in the oil filter housing, you allowed all the garbage that was in the filter housing to run through your motors bearings. When you say "the motor won't turn" we automatically presume that to mean the motor will not turn over (as in locked up). If the car is old enough to have a flat head motor, the stock rear end gearing would be low enough to have the motor spinning a lot more then 2200 RPM at 70. Hell man, my wife's 04 PT Cruiser spins more then 2200 RPM at 70, and it has an overdrive, tell us how your doing that... Last bit of info just for you, don't ***** at the free help, things like that are long remembered around here. Who do you think is going to try to help you out if all you do is ***** at them?

I don't know who you are or how old you are (doesn't really matter) but, maybe you should have listened to your father a little more. Treat people the way you want to be treated. Gene

 

Do the standerd stuff: Turn the engine over with the starter and check for spark at the spark plugs....if no spark, fix it
Check for fuel at carb......if no fuel, fix it.
Prop the trhottle wide open and run a compression test....
Now, you know a lot more and have prolly found your problem...

 

Pull plugs first, make sure you don't have anything "weird" looking. If all checks out okay, check for lack of spark.

If your motor quit, and your temp gauge soared, that's not unusual. If you look at any car with stand-alone gauges, the temp gauge will soar when you shut it off. There's simply no more "cooling" going on when the engine is off, unless you have electric fans; and only then, they cool the radiator...not the block.

I'm not so sure your woes are heat-related. You can still spin the motor over, so it's not siezed...which tells me it didn't get THAT hot.

Start with spark, then check fuel delivery. If you shot it with starting fluid and it still won't fire, that tells me it's not getting spark.

But what do I know...I'm a "body guy".

Mercman

 

check your fuel pump or pickup. squirt some fuel into the carb and turn it over. if it starts then youll know the prob

 

T_rav apperently didn't read what I or you had to say. I don't think it's a fuel delivery problem. You say you shot starting fluid into it but it still didn't fire. In my experience, starting fluid or Lacquer thinner is more flammable than gas, so it should have fired if you had good spark...

 

screw it... almost sure its head gasket, cant hurt to change anyways, and **** man like 1 hour job on flatty.... so its all good, i could do it anyways... but anyways guys, thanks for the help, and i will let yuou know...

 

what makes you think it's the head gasket? did you do a compression test? is their oil in water or water in oil, water in cylinders?

have you verified that you have any kind of spark? a bad head gasket doesn't usually mean a no-start condition like you seem to be describing, if it was the head gasket, you should get some life out of the motor.

have you pulled the plugs and what did they look like? answer the questions others have asked here, and we'll do what we can to help.

btw: never ***ume anything. for example, just because there's fuel in the filter housing, doens't mean the fuel is getting into the engine, if you're absent of spark and getting fuel, the plugs better be dripping wet with gas. given the symptoms you gave, there may be a few possibilities, or even a compounded problem because of the coolant spewing all over the engine.

also, is there still oil pressure now when you crank?