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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by babblewon, Jan 20, 2011.

  1. babblewon
    Joined: Aug 19, 2007
    Posts: 202

    babblewon
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    from cali

    So I have a edelbrock 650 avs carb. It's on a 350 mild cam.
    Problem seems to be too rich. When I mash the throttle it sputters real bad and wants to die. Also when cruising if I step on it, it kicks down a gear and does the same thing. However if I stay on the gas it clears out.
    Too rich?
    I checked the float, checked timing, dwell, vacuum leaks and also adjusted the acc pump. Plugs look pretty decent, slightly dark. More wet with fuel then black carbon. ****er smells rich too. Idle seems to drop when sitting at a light for awhile.
    Picked up the calibration kit, but I don't know where to start. Primary or secondaries.
    It's the 1806 carb
    thanks
     
  2. have you checked your fuel pressure? checked the float level?
     
  3. babblewon
    Joined: Aug 19, 2007
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    babblewon
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    from cali

    Yep, checked both.
     
  4. babblewon
    Joined: Aug 19, 2007
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    babblewon
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    from cali

    Anyone? Is the cutting out rich or lean?
     
  5. blackmopar
    Joined: Nov 21, 2006
    Posts: 481

    blackmopar
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    from fallbrook

    sure you dont have dirt/**** making metering rod stick open?

    out of the box a 650cfm is really too much carb for a 350cid

    Holley has an interactive carb cal for CFM and recommends their 570cfm for mild street performance 350cid - Im building a 600 vac sec holley with similar jetting to the avenger and should be just about perfect

    Cant find the edelbrock selector but in general I wouldnt go above a 600 performer - Since you have the 650 avs at this point I would lean both primary and secondary but be careful not to go too lean - check plugs for a bit after any adjustments - the owners manual shows pretty in depth calibration schematics
     
  6. blackmopar
    Joined: Nov 21, 2006
    Posts: 481

    blackmopar
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    from fallbrook

    From the edelbrock manual

    Long Duration Camshaft​
    If the engine has a fairly radical camshaft it may require an excessive amount of throttle opening for idle and/or have low idle vacuum levels. Either condition can lead to poor levels of
    adjustability and erratic idles.
    • Another fix for the above condition is to run as much spark advance as possible at idle. If the distributor is fitted with a vacuum advance unit, connect it directly to manifold
    vacuum. If you are not able to employ vacuum advance for some reason, then the mechanical curve should have a low limit, which will allow you to use plenty of initial spark advance.
    • Measure the manifold vacuum at idle. If it is below 7" Hg, there is a good chance that the Metering Rods are in the up (rich) position. When combined with a high idle air rate this can
    cause the Nozzles to discharge fuel at idle. Use a weaker Step-Up Spring (see section on Step-Up calibration) to keep the Rods down at idle. With some cams, a stiffer spring (pink or​
    silver) is necessary. Experimentation is the best way to determine which is best for your application.
     
  7. Check the coil. A weak coil can seem a lot like an over-rich carby.

    Cosmo
     
  8. babblewon
    Joined: Aug 19, 2007
    Posts: 202

    babblewon
    Member
    from cali

    Thanks for the reply's. I tuned in the adjustable secondaries and got a world of difference. Took it out and mashed on it. The only sputter is if I'm at a dead stop and mash to cometely wide open throttle. So from cruising to stoping down a gear is good and off the line good unless I mash down to the floor.
    Pulled the plugs and they are perfect!
    Anyone use this carb before?
    I turned the flat head screw on the secondaries 2 full turns counterclockwise. (increasing spring tension)
    is there too much I should turn this ****er?
    Edelbrock said from where it's at go 1 full turn then another 3/4 if it didn't help completely.
    So I'm at 2 turns from the spring having no tension.
    Thanks!
    Oh and I don't have the manual for the carb, need to get one
     
  9. Need more pump shot, possibly more timing too.
     

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