chevy II 153 four cylinder

Was looking at that this morning! Doesn’t look like it has a removable side plate, but does appear to be a 6 cylinder water pump. Curious if it’s an all new block or based off something existing

 

Looks like all new design on the block.

 

Just an FYI...I just saw Amazon has some Mercruiser 140 steel shim head gaskets at a pretty cheap price. Gene.

 

My source for the industrial manifolds was telling me about a new imported 4 cylinder that was a to be a replacement for the GM engine and was very very similar it for LP industrial applications once they get there systems on it .

I wonder if this is the same or similar.
Man that would make a great engine if the head is LS like or is LS .
wonder if it can be ran in a midget or if its to big of a displacement ?

 

It’s 3.5 liter I believe?

 

Sign says 3.6L

 

413 Engine Size Limits All Divisions / RPM Limits for National Midget Events
A. Pushrod Type Engines
1. Four cylinder in-line, two valves per cylinder, water cooled, with intake and exhaust ports on the same side of the
head using an aluminum block and approved non-cross flow aluminum “Fontana” cylinder head.
Maximum of 174 CID (2852cc)
Maximum RPM 8800
2. Fontana (Rhino) sealed spec engine
Maximum of 200 CID (3278cc)
Maximum RPM (factory set and sealed) 7800

3. Four cylinder in-line, two valves per cylinder, water cooled, utilizing an aluminum block and/or head.

Maximum 166 CID (2721 cc)
Maximum RPM 8700
B. Single Overhead Camshaft Type Engines
1. Four cylinder in-line, aluminum block and head, 2 valves per cylinder.

Maximum 161 CID (2639cc)
Maximum RPM 10300 (Esslinger)
Maximum RPM 9800 (Esslinger BB7)
Maximum RPM 9800 (MOPAR – SR-11)

2. Esslinger EST sealed spec engine
Maximum 161 CID (2639cc) engine.
Maximum RPM (factory set and sealed) 9400

C. Double Overhead Camshaft Type Engines
1. Honda K-Series four cylinder in-line, water-cooled, four valves per cylinder, must use Honda OEM cylinder block
and cylinder head.

NATIONAL MIDGET SERIES 2022 Rulebook

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Maximum 154.6 CID (2533.5cc)
Maximum RPM 9600
Maximum Stroke 99 mm (3.898”)

D. The preceding engine sizes are the maximum permitted. No clean up allowed.

 

Our 3.6L 4 cylinder with a single LS head concept engine has been a major hit at the Performance Racing Industry show. This small package will put out an astonishing 340 HP / 500 ft lbs torque with a turbo! We brought it in search of a market, and the ideas from attendees has been endless! Pontoon boats, midgets, S10's, early Jeeps, and more!
*12-12-22 UPDATE: Thanks everyone for the overwhelming response to our concept engine! This was brought to the PRI show in hopes of finding a market. And boy did you guys deliver some excellent markets! We don't currently have a price range or production ETA as this is still in the concept phase. If you would like added to the contact list for updates, please send your name, phone and email address to social@blueprintengines.com!
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https://www.thedrive.com/news/huge-3-6l-four-cylinder-claims-500-lb-ft-with-ls-head-and-a-turbo

That Blueprint 4 is starting to get some attention . Would be nice if they offered a shortblock that took a easy to get LS head.

In the mean time I'm still planning on a 153 or 181 in something .

I decided my current project27T is getting a SBC . I have so much stuff for these including vintage injrction for it and it's hard to not want 300 HP on up for about the same money.
So I'm sticking a 327 I built in HS in 81 in it to get it moving .
Thinking the T10 I have to .

5 speeds and stuff can come later .
Other wise it will be another 20 years before it's moving again.

4 cylinder can go in a 23 body on A rails I have with lighter stuff.

 

The bigger a four gets the more vibration becomes an issue. Adding counter balance shafts just adds more non-power moving parts, something else to go wrong. Our little 2.5 & 3.0 GM fours vibrate. It is not harmonics to be fixed with a dampener. Of course it depends on where this 3.6 makes its miraculous power. Somewhere around 3,500 rpm and it might be contained by mounts.

 

It is my understanding that this 3.6 engine is a industrial engine made by Origin Engines.
3.6 Liter Industrial Engine (originengines.com)
From what I can tell is it comes with a 302 ford style head. Being LS and Windsor Ford are so close to interchange with just moving one row of head bolts out or in I don't remember. It looks to me Blue Print just stuck a LS head on and took it to a PRI show.

 

I bet that Origin is the engine my industrial manifold guy was telling me about that's getting developed for other industrial applications.

 

confirms same block as Origin is Blueprint's industrial line except accepts Chevy trans and starter. https://www.thedrive.com/news/huge-3-6l-four-cylinder-claims-500-lb-ft-with-ls-head-and-a-turbo

 

After reading that, I would think Blue Print should have put a Hi Port Cleveland head on it. Still would need custom pistons, but cams may be easier to deal with. LS and Ford have the valves flipped, exhaust, intake, exhaust, intake, on one, intake, exhaust, intake, exhaust on the other.

 

You know the new GM 2.7 sounds pretty good too. Especially since it is a production engine. Certainly both of these are more powerful than our old 153 & 181. bangers.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/30958...l-the-silverados-2-7-l-engine-a-four-cylinder

 

direct injection not hot rod friendly

 

It's not HAMB friendly but neither are all hot rods.

 

Did you ever find out the answers to these questions? I'm using a 140 head on my 153 and would like to know also. Thanks, Gene.

 

OK...question. I am still planning on using a 140hp marine head on my 153. But yesterday I bought a 151 non-crossflow head and factory 2bbl intake. After checking, it uses the same head gasket, push rods, cam and some other small parts as the 153. It does have 1.72-1.5 valves, but has factory screw in studs and guide plates. In reasearch it seems like it's from a '77 Sunbird or Omega. Anyone have any knowledge on these?? And opinion as to this head vs the 140 marine head?
Thanks, Gene.

 

I'm pretty sure that at least the later 151s had the valves in a different order. I think that it why the later roller cams won't work in the 153 & 181. Maybe that came with the cross flow heads. It might work to change head & cam. Do you have pictures of your head?

 

Some pics...the exhaust manifold on the floor is off of it. And it came with a chrome valve cover. Gene.

 

Well, that is for sure the same valve order. The extra bolts for the intake might help with sealing, like with a turbo. The screw in studs & guide plates are a plus. The 8 port still has the advantage (?) of 4 separate intake ports. Who knows where the advantage lies. or at least useable advantage.

 

So it's been a while since I posted about my Barnes headed chevy II. I found out one cylinder needs a sleeve do to a wrist pin walking into the cylinder. The other problem is, it's already 4.060 and when the block was torn apart before I got my hands on it, it was cleaned and not reoiled. It's looking like the rust pits won't be cleaning up with a simple hone job. Considering that i need custom rods anyway for my racing application, I think I can make a set of lsx 4.065 pistons work. The problem is, the shop I was talking to was hesitant to work on such a Frankenstein build. With the cylinder wall problems, the crack at the base of the water, and then laying the engine down to 15 degrees from horizontal they just are not interested. I had just ask for them to do the work and not worry about the rest. Apparently they don't understand "Don't worry about the horse, just load the wagon." So now I'm setting on the build while I get my sprintcar ready for race season. It sure sucks not having my step father to help with these builds. He was just crazy enough to build engines like this.
Nick Landon
Feather Ruffler Engineering
Landon Racing

 

Where are you located/ what machine work needs done? Maybe between us all we “know a guy” who can load a wagon

 

I have a Chevy II block, casting number 3833045, with a S/N F02I3E. This block is still greasy and I believe it would clean up with an overbore just fine. Here is my marketplace post with other items. North Alabama https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/722394046012952/

 

The 181 in my roadster pickup has an oversized carb off a 300 ci Ford truck 6. Always has a slight bog (stumble) when taking off. Who sells, preferably a new, properly sized carb for it? Not for high performance, just for smooth cruising. One barrel, or two barrel?
-Thanks

 

Probably a Weber DGV would be the best for that 181 engine.
As for the machine shop not wanting to work on Nick's cylinder block, they might have had issues in the past with customers wanting more unusual work, then giving them a headache when it didn't work out how they hoped.

 

If that is a 153 block that is a HUGE bore. 3.935" @ .060" over is the suggested max. If it ran that way maybe your dad knew something.

 

I'm pretty sure I saw a picture somewhere showing one of these motors with BBC roller rockers on it. I mocked some up on my motor and it looks like I need 9.800" long push rods to make the rocker arm geometry work out. Has anyone else run across this? I took into consideration the cam is a re-grind, but the head and block have both been cut .030. I was thinking they should offset each other. Thanks, Gene.

 

I’ve heard of people using the bbc rockers before but with no real details to add