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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Little Wing, Dec 15, 2008.

  1. Little Wing
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    Ok,,I'll try and make this make sense. My love child ( ok not really but ) Lemans seems to have some weird issues.

    First was told it was a 1962 as the vin starts with a 1962 code.

    2: everyone said NO its a 61,,cause the front end is a 61

    3: the vin and cowl tag correctly identify the car for what it is
    ie. Colors ,,model ,,drive line etc.

    4: the tricky part,,just got the ***le and it says 1961 :confused:

    and that it has had only 1 owner prior to me,,even the milage is correct

    Sooooooooooooooooooooo,,is it then in fact a 1961 ? I mean it the ***le the Legal call on this.

    I mean even if it were a 62 with a 61 nose,,all the #'s match the ***le

    In a way I don't care cause I love the car,,but if its a real 61 Custom Coupe
    they seem rare ,,and making a drag car out of it may be a big no no
     
  2. oilslinger53
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    i believe back the they were ***led by what year they were first sold, not by model year. i could be wrong though, its been known to happen :)
     
  3. ol gasser
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    Make a Drag car. There are to many garage queens.
     
  4. Little Wing
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    well thing is ( and sorry if I misunderstood ) the car is a 61 visually ,,62 has a completely different front end,,the only thing saying 62 is the tags,but the car and ***le say 61
     
  5. I think slinger means that it might be a 1962 model, but could have been sold in late 1961, and the ***le was issued as 61 because it was sold that year.
     
  6. Little Wing
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    k but heres a 62 and heres my car so if a 62 sold in 61 the front end is wrong.
     

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  7. jb2wheeler
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    Yeh, and my ***le has one VIN missing because some intelligent person at the state capitol typed it wrong. JB
     
  8. What motor? Does it have the V-8? If so, my book says that the '61 had a two barrel, but the '62 had a four barrel.
     
  9. phat rat
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    I know many of you think 61 is a long time ago, but it's not that ancient. Cars were ***led as the year they were not the year they were sold. I.E. a 57 Chev sold in Oct. 56 wasn't ***led as a 56
     
  10. 29nash
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    drag car...
    ..
     
  11. Not sure I understand, but since that never stopped me before...

    Questions:
    Does the car LOOK like a '61??
    Does the VIN match the ***le??

    What was meant was that, in certain states ONLY, in the past the ***les were dated as to the year of first registration/sold, which would, in the vast majority of cases, be either the correct year of the vehicle, OR, the year before. Best example: Mustangs came out in April 1964, but Ford called them "1965" model year cars (because they could, and it was cool to have the latest/greatest). In my example, and in those states, there could be Mustangs ***led as "1964" whilst still being a 1965 model year car, if they were sold before Jan. 1, 1965.

    As to your car: if the VIN matches the ***le, it's 90% sure the car is a 1961. If you check a Pontiac factory service manual for that car, and IT states that the VIN codes to a 1961, it's a 1961. I am leery of the "someone told me its a 1962". Although a previous damage repair *might* have used 1961 parts, it seems less than likely, though possible.

    I have had both a 1968 Laverda 750GT (VIN 1268) ***led as a 1973, and a 1988 Citroën CX25GTi ***led as a 1986 (interesting story behind that one). So ***les can and do lie, but it's not that common.

    Cosmo
     
  12. Roothawg
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    I bet it was a late year car but not late enough to call it a 62.
     
  13. Little Wing
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    2 bbl ,,but was'nt that and option ?

    Cosmo

    The thing is The cars look different the front end on a 61 and 62 are different.

    everything visually on MY car says it is a 1961,,K

    the VIN on the post is the same # on the ***le

    Before we got the ***le we only had the vin and cowl to go by and it decodes as a 62 ,,The trim in and out colors etc are all correct to the car

    yet ***le states 61 :eek:
     
  14. chickenridgerods
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    Are you sure that you're decoding the numbers on the tags correctly?
     
  15. Little Wing
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    Yes 61P means ................1961 ..................62P = 1962
     
  16. r8odecay
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    my 51 caddy originally sold on 01/01/52, and therefore the state of OK, in all of thier brilliance ***led it as a 52. and will NOT change it to the correct 51.
     
  17. MN Falcon
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    Did you buy the car with a ***le / how did you apply for a ***le?

    In MN if there is no ***le, when you apply for one you need to include that type of info. I don't know how well MN people look over VINs and try to match them to year of manufacture. I always have used year of manufacture when I apply based on the VIN.
     
  18. Little Wing
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    Yes ,,it is a clear New Jersey ***le ( was bought at auction so had to wait for ***le ),,like I said everyone who has seen it said it was a 61,,just the tags say 62,,and the 62 Vin # is on the ***le..Someone said it may have been an end of production car
     
  19. MN Falcon
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    Thanks, I was just "confused" on how you got the ***le.

    It could be a late model year thing like described. Maybe someone special ordered a '61 late in the year after they started to tool up for the '62 -- they put on the '61 parts as requested but since it came off the line with '62s it got those numbers?

    I could think of a devious way to do it using MN rules though!
     
  20. Little Wing
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    lol,,No I'm fine with it,,Just that if by I guess Law it is a 61 ,,Custom Coupes are rare so I would not turn it into a Drag car
     
  21. Hitchhiker
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  22. What about the rear lights and bumper, maybe it was wrecked and they put a different year front clip, and fixed it well enough you couldn't tell?
     
  23. Little Wing
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    front clip wouldn't change what the ***le says,,and it has a 61 back end ,,no reveres e lights ,,,no signs of the front end ever being off the car
     
  24. Which is yours, left or right?
     
  25. Little Wing
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    the on on the right
     
  26. Whatever it is it's the better looking of the two. Nice ride.
     
  27. Little Wing
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    lol,,yeah I like it reminds me a bit of the late 60's Cudas,,,and thanks :)
     
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  28. bobwop
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    maybe Johnny Cash was working at Pontiac before he went to Lincoln
     
  29. I had a 1959 Willys pickup truck that was ***led as a 1955 because the first two digits of the VIN were 55.
     
  30. 325w
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    Might check and besure the rivet that holds the vin number is correct. Are if it is spot welded and a not glued.
     

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