Could Nitrous be Traditional?

I've heard about fighter planes using Nitrous during WWII to get more power during take off, and in high altitude situations. Nitrous didn't get used in racing until the 70's. But someone could of used it during the post war, the technology was around but probably not applied to hot rods. If hydraulics were brought from planes to cars it could be a possibility. Any thoughts on nitrous being traditional.

 

just because something was in exsistance, does not make it traditional. if you're trying to validate using a nos system in your car, stop. it wont fly

 

smokey yunick started using [legal additive ]nitrous oxide in qualfying in 1952 in the 7X hudson hornet

 

Not trying to run nitrous i just thought it's an interesting concept.

 

Very cool do you have anymore info? Or maybe a link?

 

Traditional or not check out Littlemans truck.

Somewhere towards the end of the thread...

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=215723&highlight=scream+power

 

From what I've heard, he had the bottle under the seat, with a hose running to the mouth of the carb.
( and running very rich, probably... )

And he just opened up the bottle for a while for extra power.

 

I would say it could be,,though back then the delivery system would have been different,,so IF you were going to do it,,it would have to be based on how the airplanes did it

 

I knew a certain stock car racer from the sixties who had a military background which is where he learned about nitrous. A tube in his
roll cage had fittings to receive a limited amount of nitrous under pressure.
During qualifying he would crack a hidden valve and just turn it loose under the hood at the fastest point of his lap. No gasoline was added , nor was it metered in any fashion. When I questioned him about this, he replied, "Son that 427 (Ford) had no problem finding the gas and it was good for
about 2 or 3 mph at the end of the straight. He said he got the nitrous from a friend in the bottled medical gases business, since most people had never heard of the stuff. MickeyC from the bayou

 

I think a couple years ago there was picture of Barney Navarro in the rodders journal with a military nitrous bottle mounted on top of a set of carbs. Said it didn't work very well though.

 

it is in smokey's book
he told us the story at the 99 SEMA show

 

if you hide it who will know..
just like they did back in the day!

 

The Nazi fighters sprayed nitrous using a system called GM-1. Here's a link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM-1

 

Marvin Miller was the first system I seen back in the 80's but that is not very old.

 

I got one of those systems laying around,pretty simple stuff: Dual 1 inch plates made in aluminium,no jets the metering is in the solenoids (small ones can't flow nitrous for more than 125 hp on dual plates).

But it's of good quality,these things isn't used in more than 20 years but a couple of months ago I did try them out in the shop,and they worked perfectly : open and closed as they should and there was no leaking of neither nitrous or gas throug the solenoids and if it should start to do so it's easy to pick them apart and overhaul them.

I think I will try it on my inline 6 sometime but only with a single plate,or maybe stack them on top of each other could be fun "for 3 seconds only".

 

if you buy a kit from summit no. if you engineer and design your own setup using only vintage parts then still no.

a handful of people using it in the old days does not make it traditional

this is as lame as the traditional air bag debate

 

Everything's traditional... ABS, EFI, even air-bags were invented, and installed on cars pre '64.

That still doesn't make it right for our kind of cars.

 

wait a second,,if it was around and few did it as folks building hot rods,,done the right way it could/would be period correct..or does traditional mean,,accepted by teh masses ??


if it were'nt for some far out ideas back in teh day,,we would'nt have alotta cool stuff, now,,I mean look at blower evolution


Nitrous as we know it now ?? NO of course not,,but something taken from a ww2 plane,,sorry I have to say yes,,if your gonna use the the damn seats then the rest of teh plane is fair game as well

 

I still have the plate off of the one we ran on our v8 vega. It worked really well and like you said it is simply built which always appeals top me.

 

Uhmm....since when is traditional based upon what was acceptable by the masses? (As stated by Little wing). I say if the technology was around....and you fab it to work (I agree with not buying a kit from Summit)...then it is traditional enough. The ONLY reason I would personally say not to do it, would be for safety reasons. Other than that, sounds pretty bitchin.

 

tradtional?...tradtional is makeing your hot rod lighter/using best available engine in 67/using latest imfo available /being willing to xperment/take chances/use all your $$$togo faster....tuned jets on out side weiand intake[10,000parts]install Orings in surplus solinoids/then hide it inside the weiand tunnel...used 4th gear hydraulic port on b/m hydrostick to bypass one set points to retard timing hi gear[later it also shut off power to nitrous system too]........it was backintheday tradtional for>>> me <<< >>>IF THE FRAME TWISTS STEER IT WITH THE NITROUS BUTTON!!!!!!!!!!<<<

 

using 3 barrel......try pics 2nd try

 

God gave us nitrous to test our abilities and creativity in conceiling the lines and hiding the bottle well. Period.

 

i want to know when it stopped being tradtional trying to go faster ...now most are afraid to ruin a hi $$$car that they paid or bought from someone else???

 

i have a brand new Marvin Miller setup, never installed, the tank is still full from when it was bought,

 

Great quote Little Wing

 

Nitrous Oxide was indeed used for hi altitude flying. The higher you go, the less oxygen there is, so it was adapted to fighters flying support for high flying bombers, it added both oxygen and you used a richer fuel mix to make it work.I'm sure savy, real savy racers played with nitrous in the early years and probably blew up lots of stuff too. It is a pretty exact science........the nitrous masters of today I'm sure paid their dues with piles of blown up stuff.

 

I guess.......... not too many HotRodders here ?.....and fewer Speed-Demons.......I still will beat my own drum no matter what anyone says and or writes......I look at it this way..I do and try things today that the true HotRodder before me would have loved to try..There was Hotrodding w/ what was available then..and there's HotRodding w/ what is available today and from prior, which makes us lucky in these times...but is the principle any different? I'd say no, but you have the people that will beat their chest that they can drive further than anyone else..and really who cares?...Do you think they thought like that in the 40's-50's or 60's..I do not think they did..that's all crap that's made up today....Their's plenty of room for all the StreetRods in HotRod clothing along w/ everything else.....some people spend way too much time challenging the past rather than building in the day...and that day is today.......Littleman....I hope to be hitting that button until I cannot push it no more in my old age.....Sure the Past is Great, but......Make your own History!!!!

And just to make sure..I am not knocking anyone like Flamedabone, he has a bad ride ! and other's.........

I missed this thread the first time around..

 

Yes nitrous has been around for a long time ! It's just a very cheap way to get more HP out of your engine instead of doing the traditional way of hopping up your engine with a bigger bore , mean cam and multi-carbs on top of your mill ! A nice huffer was great too !
BUT don't come to the HAMB drags with that shit !

 

Not traditional in the least. We had nothing back then that was even close to NOS.