Hi everyone, I posted this on the new guy message board but I don't know if anyone reads it so I reposting here. I've been reading this forum for a while and I decided to join. I live in Cleveland GA. I'm a retired (tired?) auto mechanic and now I just tinker on the old cars I bought when I had money. Right now I'm resurrecting on a 1923 Seagrave that burned up then sat outside for many years. Sounds in possible right? Well, I know a few tricks. The engine is going back together now but I thinking ahead to the paint. Maybe someone has seen the yellow Mercer Raceabout that shows up at Hershey. It's awesome! It looks like it just rolled out of the barn and they got it running. The thing is, the guy restored it to look that way. The paint is cracked and faded, the br*** is tarnished. What a crowd that car draws! So here's the question. Does anyone have any experience "antiquing" paint. I can't really use the indoor furniture latex and Elmer's glue method. I need auto paint. Can I put lacquer over acrylic? Oil over lacquer? Any help? Jerry<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><!--Session data--><input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">
Is fake patina a bad thing? Jerry <input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><!--Session data--><input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">
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I had no idea this was a festering open wound. I guess when in the '60s, Bill Harrah restored the 1907 Thomas Flyer to look the way it did when it won the New York to Paris Race in 1908, he started the whole fake patina thing. I humbly withdraw my message. Jerry <input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><!--Session data--><input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">
You gave up too easily, do what makes you happy. If someone is offended by the car offer it to them for a nice profit and let them fix it.
I agree, you did give up pretty easily. Those threads that HRP posted go on for pages and pages of the same old argument... Mc'ds vs. Burger King, Taste great vs. Less filling, Real ***s or fake, patina vs. shiny.... whatever. WTF-ever.... Make YOUR car the way you want it and keep us posted.
Man you'd have never survived the "old HAMB" if you give up that easy. This is a great place to hang out, but like anywhere else, everyone's got their own opinion. My opinion is, that the whole fake patina hate comes from those who are lucky enough to own a survivor, and they don't want a fake one stealing their thunder. Nobody likes a "poser", so be honest about it's origins, and don't try to fool anyone. It's pretty much like the gl*** and steel argument, a lot of guys (including me) resent having their 75 year old steel judged against something popped out of a mold 6 mos ago. Those cars have their place, but they're not old, and shouldn't be p***ed off as such. I do think though that there's as much art involved in creating a good patina as there is in creating a bright and shiny paint job, so if that's the look that fits your vision for your car, then go for it. Just don't try to p*** it off as a survivor, I think it's that dishonesty that people really object too.
It's OK to run around in primer but how DARE you mention "fake patina"! Shhhh...you may want to refer to it as FP from now on to avoid offending some folks or maybe you can think of another name for FP that is more politically correct, perhaps "time lapsed surface coating" or "barn find surface finishing"? Don't give up, I think your idea is interesting, especially with that vehicle. Hopefully someone will come along to help answer your question. Stick with what you want and good luck. Stand by, this could get interesting...
A reasonable man! That was a good answer IMHO. I agree that you shouldn't try to p*** it off as a survivor but making it look like one is also art and is something that I personally could appreciate, just like the Mercer and Thomas Flyer that the original poster mentioned. I say, go for it...but what do I know?
I do not agree that it is necesarily an attempt to "deceive". It is the 'look' that is appreciated, and replicated, because there simply isn't enough of the so-called survivors around. So, what are others to do......just sit and look on enviously at the few 'true' patina'd vehicles. It's basically the same thing as repro steel and fibergl*** parts. Not enough of the originals to supply the demand. Why not make more? I'm sorry if that offends the ELITE, those lucky or wealthy enough to own the real thing, but that's simply the way things evolve. If there is sufficient demand, someone will step forward and fulfill it. Why should an appealing paint finish be any different. As stated, an attempt to p*** it off as Genuine would be the offense. Ray
I prefer real ***s...But I shall not refuse fake ***s if thrust in my face or anywhere else near me... In other words.... Do whatcha want
Fake Patina is like Fake ***s it can look pretty good but is no subs***ute for the real thing. OldWolf
I guess it's all in how we think of hot rods. To me, it's pretty much the same. Although, it sounds like we're discussing ***s.
Dang it man..... What the heck is going on. I spend all my time trying to make my cars look nice. Now we got people tryin to make cars look like ****??? Strange world. Well man I guess if it makes you happy go for it.
I don't want to get in a ******* contest here but I don't mind debating the issue as gentlemen. I'm just saying that because I know how things can get around here. I'm not convinced by that argument. If I follow that logic then anything other than the factory original is a deception. By putting shiny new paint on your car are you trying to deceive onlookers into thinking that it originally came that way? I ready to be convinced that I'm wrong but so far it hasn't happened.
Arn't we all p***ing off our cars as originals (survivors) by restoring them. What's the difference from putting re-pop parts on a car or taking a car and hot rodding it? You are returning it to a point in time. His had patina or would have had it at one point in time. Paint it whatever you like and enjoy it. It's yours...........
Something like this could look real cool detailed and painted nicely, why bother trying to make it look beatup. Patina is done to death.
You own it.You can pretty well do what ever you want with it.Those that don't like it can just walk away.As for me, its not mine,so I don't care.
I've seen that yellow Mercer Raceabout at the Hershey Meet. It does attract a crowd. When I talked to the owner, he readily admitted that the patina is fake. He wasn't trying to p*** it off as a survivor; therefore, no foul. This was just another paint finish like all the other paint finishes on the show field, many of them being non-original and shiny basecoat/clearcoat. Hopefully, someone will be able to give up some tips as to how a good patina job is done. I'd sure like to know this myself.
I like nice cars....rusty, shiney or in between. If they are fake and look good then it's cool. I do think making a gl*** car look patina and rusty is over the top. I saw one in a magazine done that way years back, bit lame.
Coincidentally (if the poster is even still here), I just watched trucks on spike TV's powerblock, and they show you how to create a fake patina. It should replay tomorrow. They didn't do any "cracking and crazing", but you can learn how to do that in a craft store, if you're still interested.
Do it Right or P*** it on to someone that will. This is how it should end up looking... <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/thMi7lQGCFY&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/thMi7lQGCFY&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
Yes, I'm still here (the original poster). I love all these messages. You guys are great. So here's the deal. I've got 4 fully restored cars. Big deal. You've seen a million of them. Nice and shiny, better than new, every part perfect. So after you've spent 10K and hours of time, you go to a few shows then stand back and watch it deteriorate. Or, you make the car look a little rough but still cool and you can have a whole lot of fun and every ding and s****e just adds to the look. I'm not talking shabby, just worn in, like an old comfortable shoe. I'm doing it! Picture a Seagrave racer, a sort of 1923 Blastolene Special with a 1000 CID, 6 cylinder that makes 150 HP at 1700RPM redline. Jerry <input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><!--Session data--><input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">
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