custom HF bead roller dies... interest?

Been watching this thread and put me on the waiting list too. Just bought a HF today for $100 on Craigslist.

To date, I've actually rolled 0' 0" of steel in my lifetime. Looking forward to learning to use it, and need some of your dies to go with the set that came with the unit!

 

Did you pick your volunteers to test the first batch?

 

yes, i have found the right person to test one out... i'm shipping it to him first thing tomorrow.

on another note, i have seriously been thinking about NOT having them case hardened... the cost to me is such that i'd need to charge another $10 a set to have them done, and i just cannot see a reason to first of all case harden them and then charge $10 more for them than they are worth.

IF anyone wants them hardened, speak up. let me know why you need them hardened

 

Can't remember if we talked about fitments for the Williams Low Buck Tools Beadroller - here are specs on the dies and machine: 15/16" inside bore, approximate outside diameter 2 1/4", shafts on the machine should be 2" on center. If these are compatible with what you are planning I'll need '32 and '33/'34 Ford bodyline beads (I'd be happy to send a sample profile).

Thanks,
Steve

 

Steve, i can change the bore to fit just about any machine out there. matter of fact the "sample" die i am shipping tomorrow i had to bore out for a mitler bros machine, so in short, yes. i can accommodate just about anyone's machine. as for body line profiles, i will be getting to those as soon as i can catch up with all the tipping sets spoken for

Thanks!
Traves

 

Cool! I'm glad this is still going. I just souped up my roller so let's get it on!!


Oh, and I'd like a set of the tipping dies too.

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OK gents, my R&D dept. tells me the finish is spot on, and i have decided to start compiling a list of people that have asked for tipping sets via this thread, email and PM.

i am going to contact the first 10 on this list ASAP (like today/tomorrow) and see if that person is still interested. IF, that person is not interested, or if they do not get back to me within 3 business days, their name is either off the list or moved to the bottom of it.

the only thing i am waiting for to start shipping is weather or not i am going to need to heat treat them. the person i have testing for me is a professional builder and master of the bead roller. if they need heat treating, he'll find out in a big hurry, but as of now i dont see a need to do so. once i hear from him, i'll either ship them to you, or ship them off to my heat treater

i know i had hoped to make these for around $45 and still could if i ordered them by lots of 100 or so from a chinese company, but i just cant see myself selling something made in a Chicom factory.... so...

the final cost (with no heat treating) is set at $75, for a steel upper and lower polished die set, lower 48 shipping included. PM me for canadian and overseas orders. i WILL ship overseas, but i'll need to get a shipping quote for each different order.

once again, from the bottom of my heart, i thank you all for your interest and amazing patience while i got this thing going... its been an uphill battle, but i'm pretty sure i've hit the top of the hill

 

Count me in for a set if someone decides they dont want them anymore!

~Cinc

 

OK gents, it has come to my attention, that there may be some confusion as to what a "tipping" die set does. NO, tipping sets are not for rolling a 90* angle along a straight line. in other words, the tipping set does not include a male and female "V" profile die. i do NOT want anyone ordering a set thinking they are getting one thing, and then have them upset and have to send them back. for those not quite sure what a tipping die set looks like, i have a photo here of one of my prototype sets. for those not sure what they do, these are for rolling a right angle along a curve. think wheel well opening or fender skirt and that will give you an idea.

 

OK fellas, i have talked at length with my R&D guy, and he says "i tried to tear this thing up with 14ga, and there is NO sign of wear on the edges of the die. i see no reason to heat treat these things at all"

there ya have it. these will NOT be heat treated.

i'm contacting the first 10 on the waiting list. if i dont hear back in 3 days, that name goes down on the list to give the next person waiting a chance.



PS. if you simply MUST have a heat treated set, let me know and i'll start a list of those who want it done as well. when i have 5 or so who want treated sets, i'll get them treated, and you'll pay actual cost of treating

 

Fiddy, can you show us examples of a piece bent with the tipping die so us bead rolling noobs have a better idea of what can be made with them?

I understand the fender lip scenario, but if I can see WHAT these do I'm more apt to get my name on the list.

 

i should be getting photos of actual examples from my R&D guy tonight, and i shall post them soon as i have them! thanks!

 

R&D Guy here lol,, heres a few examples of what a tipping die is for,,





Brief explaination,, a tipping die allows you to "tip" an edge or flange on a curve, like a brake would do on a straight line. Notice how the wicker on the rear of the wing has flanges on the top and bottom around the curves? thats what a tipping die is for.

Its a VERY usefull tool once you play with it a bit, I use mine a lot and I like the ones my Brotha Fiddles has made. Good design and works smurfectly.

I'll get better pics tomorrow and post em up.

 

Hey Fiddy how bout some Delrin dies for racer types that do Aluminum work and some shearing dies so we can turn this thing into rolling tinsnips!

 

Jay, thanks for posting those pics, and again thanks for trying to destroy one of these for me!

Leon, i have not as of yet messed with plastic, but if i can get a decent finish on it, yes, i'll make delrin lowers for alloy work

 

Tipped on Mr. Fids fantastic tipping device. To get the angle you hold the piece at an angle as it goes thru the machine, the more you hold up the more you get. That was single p***.

 

I'm trying to repop the outer sill plate on a 28 RPU. The half circle part just below the doors. What does could I use?

 

Got a pic of what your attempting? I'm glad to help but I gotta know what I'm up against.

 

I need to replicate this bead on a Airstream end panel, any thoughts?

 

that could be done with a normal bead roller, leave the panel a bit long, run the bead in the correct location and trim the excess off.

 

Not the greatest I could find but that bead below the door opening.

 

Send Fiddy a pattern or chunk of a good one and he will cut you exactly what you need!

 

if i have a good pattern or better still, an actual piece of the profile i can better tell if i can make a set of dies to duplicate it.

send a sample to:

Trada, llc
5064 finger rd
green bay, wi 54311

 

What is the bore on the dies you are selling? My bead roller predates HF by 20 years. It was built by the JD2 guy before he became JD2. The bore on my dies is 5/8". I need a set of 45 degree step dies.
edit: Reread the whole thread and found the bore size on page 3. my bad If you only have one bore size I could bush them to fit mine if you can make me a 45 degree step set.

 

i can make a bore any size need as needed.

45* step dies are on my R&D list of things to do, i shall let everyone know when i have those available!

 

Well here's an idea and a good use for bondo! You could wax up a section of bead you need a die for and cast a bondo mold that you could send to Fiddy . Do both an inside and outside and he would have exactly the profiles he'd need.

 

i got a PM tonight from one of my customers... he asked where the setscrew holes are...

well, there arent any. the setscrews that HF includes in its version of its dies arent needed to keep the dies from slipping on the shafts. just tighten the pinchbolts down and you're all set to tip steel. i've tested this on my own machine, and da tinman jay has tipped all of what he posted with only the pinchbolts...

 

i have a few extra sets available now! $75 shipped to the lower 48 US. PM or email for overseas and canadian shipping price

 

for you guys who were waiting... Delrin lower dies are now available!

standard set with steel upper and Delrin lower $75
standard set with both upper and lower steel dies $75
Deluxe set with steel upper and lower dies WITH delrin lower $100
lower die alone $35

all prices in US$ and includes shipping and insurance to the lower 48 US

Canadian and overseas orders contact me for shipping info and price


those who have purchased a set before 4/5/12 and wish to add a delrin lower die, contact me for special pricing

 

Some tanks rolls would be nice. Like covell use to make.