Dan Kahn Selling His Modified On Egay

Some how this doesnt seem right, he uses his position at the magazine to get a bunch of free stuff done... or I am assuming "please let me know if im wrong" and then he is selling it on ebay as a magazine car and making hugh profits.... this just doesnt seem right? is it just me our are others feeling the same way??
Ebay listing # 2469066557

-Bigdaddy

 

Ryan, thank you for clearing that up, but what makes him earn it... really not trying to be a dick at all, just seems kinda shady, that might just be my own thinking cause im bummed that I have to pay for all my parts and im not building it to sell... it would be diff if it was like a few years down the line... hope you can understand where im coming from but the thing was JUST built and featured all over and then he sells it??

-Bigdaddy

 

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is it just me our are others feeling the same way

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as far as i am concerned it's just you

i only hope that he didnt have to sell it due to an emergency situation or problem. of course it is not my business any way

Dan is one of the most stand up guys that i have met off of this board,even it has only been on the phone or thru e-mails,
and i will forever be in his debt for the help on the raffle engine last year

 

huh, ryan not that the story of him selling it is any of my business, its just that ive worked with some journalist from a mag when i used to help out at a shop and they wanted free work in trade for coverage in the mag... sort of free advertising... as face as his charecter goes wastn attacking that at all since i dont know him...

-Bigdaddy

 

Judging by other cars I've seen, when the suppliers actually give the parts to the builder for free, it's when it's a real show car that spends a couple years going around the country with huge ads sitting around it. If I'm remembering right, he took it on a road trip the minute it was done

 

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No, it does not.
I think you just stuck your nose where it does not belong.
None of us need permission from our HAMB buddys when we buy or sell our cars.
My Girlfriend does not even have a say in that...

 

i think what people are trying to say in an intelligent manner is, who gives a fuck? you will learn this someday, grasshoppa..

 

This already came up on an earlier thread, but Dan wasn't called out by name in the title.

First off, Dan (Scribe) is a HAMBer as well as a busy and well rounded automotive journalist. In a very short amount of time, he managed to take the base kit and build it into a very cool little modified while also honoring his other personal and professional obligations. If you have been following the build-up series in Rod & Custom, then you know that he thrashed many long nights, often working on only a few hours sleep to get the car done and to meet the deadlines for all of his magazine submissions.

In addition to balancing a total vehicle build-up against an often hectic work schedule, he managed to capture all of the details of the build to share with the world. The articles outlining the assembly of that car are some of the best project car stories I've ever read. It pays testamony to Dan's knowledge as a rodder and his skills as a professional journalist.

What we read in the magazines runs behind actual real time progress, of course. Dan's little modified has been done for a little while now and he's logged some miles on it. A whirlwind project that would overwhelm the vast majority of us here has been brought successfully from it's humble beginnings as a kit to it's final phase as a functional vehicle. It's really nothing short of amazing!

Why he has decided to sell is really his business. Maybe he's ready for a change, or maybe he wants to funnel some cash into his T-bird project? Perhaps he's got another project lined up that he'd like to build, and we may just be lucky enough to follow along as THAT car comes together? Whatever his reasons, nobody can take away his right to make up his own mind about what to do with the car and he need not explain his reasoning to any of us!

Do I know Dan? Not at all...never met him and never talked to him. In fact, he probably thinks I'm an asshole if he thinks of me at all because I've had some strong opinions on the magazine industry in the past, and I wouldn't blame him for that! None of my comments were directed at HIM personally, because I've always felt that he shines as a true example of what a quality automotive journalist SHOULD be, but I genuinely respect his right to any and all opinions he may have on ANY topic! I've enjoyed the Hell out of the build-up articles featuring Dan's little modified, and I'd like to commend him for a job well done!

Whatever his reasons for selling, I hope he gets top dollar for the car! He worked long, hard hours through personal sacrifice to share the project with the world, and he deserves recognition and compensation for it! Whoever buys the car will no doubt be stoked...as they will become the proud owner of a running, driving piece of history...a magazine car known the world over, and sure to be remembered for years to come!

What's "shady" about that?

 

Once in a blue moon ya get somethin' free. Sometimes you get a break and most of the time you get gored if you don't watch real close; some of the guys supplying the parts and services know you have everything given to you and you do make the big bucks, right?
Building a ride and documenting it, so that someone else can learn and reproduce what you've done, is work. Much more work than building one for someone else or building your own, for fun and profit.
If anyone has any beaf with Dan (I don't know him btw) its the people that supplied the parts and services.
The way I see it if he can peddle the car to fund his next project, that he will have to document every last detail so that someone else can learn from and or duplicate it. Then more power to him.
Bottom line is give the kid a break he's just trying to get by, just like the rest of us.

 

I have met Dan just a few times and walked away confident that he's a stand up guy. In fact, so is the whole crew at R & C. As far as his ride, whose business is it what he does?

 

So a guy, any guy, puts all his energy into a project, any project. Others like his work and they want it. So he decides to sell it. After it's gone he wishes he had it back. Hopefully the money he got for it will help compensate for the loss. This is America. It's OK to make a little money from your hard work. In this case it was a kit car, quite well done as well as expertly documented. We all gained something from this car build and I personally hope he makes a killing on it.

 

You don't have friends who come over and give you a hand with your project now and then?
And maybe even donate a part?

I do and I have a few donated parts in my latest project.
And donated parts & labor to others as well.
Just part of the hot rodding hobby.
Share what you can and help where you can.

I don't think Dan is any different from the rest of us.
Perhaps a little more visible, but that's about it.

 

Excuse me but they DO get a lot of stuff for free... I know, I've seen it. Ask Ron Ceridono.

 

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For the most part, journalists don't get parts for free. That's a myth...

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No it's not.

You can get damn near anything you want for a tech article...

Givin up product is cheaper than buying an ad.

 

I don't know SCRIBE, but I like the car. What he does with it is his business.

I'd just like to know...
What's the difference in the VALUE of that, and
--->THIS ONE<---




Hell, that mill is worth damn near the price.
Good quality build... half the $$$

I just don't see it.

JOE

 

They do get stuff for free because even I did when I worked there and I wasn't even an editor, I was an art director. I got extensive stuff for my Sportster as well as some stuff for my Astro. A tech article is worth a dozen ads. The advertised company makes sales off a few free parts and the mag gets a story and the editor gets some cool stuff for his car. It's a fair deal all around. The editors, by the way love their jobs. They have too because they live and breath it. They work all the time. They are always writing, attending car shows, working on their rides, story rides, etc. They don't get paid all that much, maybe at fashion mags they would, but not at PRIMEDIA so they deserve a few free parts.
I'm not saying feel bad for them, it's a cool gig. I miss not being there any longer.

 

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For the most part, journalists don't get parts for free. That's a myth...

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No it's not.

You can get damn near anything you want for a tech article...

Givin up product is cheaper than buying an ad.

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Yep, killer is the right one here. You can build an entire car for FREE if you know what you are doing- and you don't have to twist any arms either.

 

I was told a few times from editors "these aren't magazines, they're product catalogs."

 

OH SHIT!!! I sold my '32 on E-bay last fall....my dad gave me the Caddy air cleaner that I ran...a budddy of mine gave me the Coil Overs out back and I SWAPPED an interior for a new Chassis....Guess I had NO RIGHT to sell MY CAR. Who gives TWO NUTS who donated what, blah blah blah. I'll bet ya the guys who donated (if any) are happy with their advertising. Dan, I don't know ya...but good luck on E-bay.

 

Didn't you just get a FREE metalflake air scoop?

Anyway, I never got anything for free that I didn't ask for...

 

Ok, I'm Dan for a day.....I've just finished up this kick-ass little modified with a lotta help [on parts] from vendors that advertise in my magazine. I also have several other projects in the works that need building but need the room. I could also use a little $$$ for esentials the vendors don't provide. Like bodywork on my T-bird. Not to mention the missus doesn't like the open air ride of the modified and won't ride with me unless it has windows and a cold A/C unit. What am I gonna do? Prolly sell the modified. And it was ME who built the car....it was also ME who provided the place and tools to build it. It was ME who went to the vendors for parts and it was ME who took all those photos at 3 am, trying to meet deadline..it's MY car to do with as I please because I earned it.
To be honest, my first reaction to hearing the modified was for sale was not positive either until I began looking at the big picture.....Dan earned his car. Hope he gets a nice price for it and I wish I had enough spare change lying around to buy it for myself! I'd love to own it! Mrs Rocky HATES wind in her hair....

 

who cares it was only a kit car.

 

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I have met Dan just a few times and walked away confident that he's a stand up guy. In fact, so is the whole crew at R &amp; C. As far as his ride, whose business is it what he does?

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I have met him also and think that he did a hell of a job on that car and the documentation of the buildup. I agree with the above statement that the whole crew including RF are car guy's to the Max. If he makes some money off of it, so be it, that's the American way. The magazine allows it, whether or not that's right is a whole different issue. Without that perk, would we be getting the killer type articles? As already stated it takes a hell of a lot of time and effort to put togther the car and the article.

Don't remember hearing such a big deal made about it when Ron Ceridono sold the speedster that he built and did an article on back to Speedy Bill. Maybe it's the egay thing that get's folks undies in a bundle.

My 2cents

B B

 

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I don't know SCRIBE, but I like the car. What he does with it is his business.

I'd just like to know...
What's the difference in the VALUE of that, and
--->THIS ONE<---




Hell, that mill is worth damn near the price.
Good quality build... half the $$$

I just don't see it.

JOE

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If you can't see the difference, you'll never be able to achieve the calibur of car that Dan's is. Stance, tire selection, paint color choice, use of chrome... stance, proportions... stance.

Put quite simply, you can give two different car builders the same parts and one will come up with something that makes the masses drool, while the other will be left wondering why he can't meet his $10,000 reserve on e-bay.

Anyway... I now put people like the guy who started this poset in the category of "hater". I saw it when I built the BFD. I had my good friend Shag give me a steering box... and my friend Darryl give me an axle and a pickup bed... and Otto give us a pair of rims...
My friend Tim and I split the other $10,000 "to build" cost... and people say the car was built with donated parts! Fuck them.


I guess the root of all this misery is that plans change, projects change, situations chage... and just because we type it on a computer, people think it is written in stone. Shit, this place is like a big garage, where we all come to BS... I don't think ANYONE would go up to Dan, with a group of people standing around, and accuse him of reeping the benefits of building a car and then selling it. But when you can hide behind your computer, saying those things becomes easier all of the sudden.
Sam.

 

What really kills me about the guys who write for the mags is that they can't JUST be good journalists, they also have to be mechanics -err excuse me techs-, bodymen, machinists, and throw in a little salemanship for good measure. I for one don't envy them.

Imagine that everything you do to your car is documented and critiqued by the world. Not only that if you misspell anithang or have one fact out of line, ugg!!

Then you try to sell one of your cars because you are leaving the position you love.....or at least that's what I thought was going on here....

I would just as soon stay in my own private garage and keep my mistakes to myself....