Technical Deal breakers - What makes you stop a purchase?

In Maryland, as long as the****le is signed by the owner whose name is on it, doesn’t matter who sold it to you. Car thieves usually don’t get the owner to sign the****le over when they are stealing your car. Would make things more convenient for them, wouldn’t it?

 

RUST!

 

There seems to be some disagreement on the necessity of a clear****le.

My earlier post listed the requirements (at the time, they may have changed) in Missouri for me to personally acquire a****le. I DID go through the requirements, and was able to acquire a****le.

Not throwing rocks at those who live in states that do not require clear****les or those that do not consider a clear****le a necessity; Missouri is one state that does require a clear****le in the name of the seller (OR a licensed third party...i.e licensed car dealer).

Different states have different requirements.

Really a good idea to know the requirements of the DMV in one's state of residence.

Again, not trying to start (or continue) an argument, just answering the original question of a deal breaker for me.

Jon

 

lying by omission.... old farts will remember the days when you bought cars from a wanted ad in the newspaper with no photo, and you called them on the phone that never left your house, many times bolted to the wall inthe kitchen.

back in the 80's when I was "stealing cars" and somehow selling them with a matching****le to unsuspecting buyers I called on a 67 Olds 442, he told me on the phone it still had the original paint, drove 45 minutes to San Francisco and there it was original gold paint totally covered in rust to the point where it would need to be blasted to ever put a paint job on it, I didn't even slow down, just went on back home.

car would probably be worth $15,000 or more now, back then it was just a 15 year old used car that got bad gas mileage.

 

@theHIGHLANDER -I don't think anyone was offended by you, man. I realize how you feel about your business being just that. We can probably agree that those with ill intent can and do exploit ''get arounds'' for legal documentation. Sorry you had a bad experience with a flake. All this is good point/counterpoint. Each of us should at least be aware of the laws where we live. I'm going to stick by the rules for my state. There won't be a huge number of sales in my future, PA only screws with us for a dealer's licence if it's more than like 12 cars per year.

 

That was you? I was looking to make someone a deal, heck, you never called and informed me, I was at home all night waiting for you to show up!

 

...on the subject of****les, this was over 20 years ago so maybe things have changed. did a bunch of rust repair on an OT British car, and he brought over a parts car as well. got to the point of done body work with painted jambs trunk and hood and the guy just fell off the edge of the Earth never to be see or heard from again.

I think he may have died, not sure. anyways I had a lien sale company do a lien on it and got the****le in my name soon after. the car had current registration at the time, not sure how that works with cars out of the system.

 

A big one - Price too high! Like so high that a reasonable offer is less than half. So high I don't even bother.

 

Exactly.

 

When the ad says "All the hard work is done" ..

 

FKN LIARS! Someone on here.....Played real stupid with me after I drove 3+ hrs......... He KNEW exactly what was up, as he has a car just like it and had it completely apart......Played stupid......
I passed of course, but the sad part is a*****er bought it......

 

Front steer using old Ford steering arms.

 

The whole "More than 'X' cars per year requires a dealer's license." is something akin to urban legend. Let's Bob Ross this and paint a pretty picture. In Mich they say you can only sell 6. You're a freak for cars. You swap em around like a stamp collector, every one gets****led in your name, tax paid, some driven, some maybe not. Maybe 1 year you sold 7 or 8, maybe another you sold 10 to buy a more expensive one. Maybe some you made money, some not. Again with the bonus points for someone who knows dealer duties and parameters. It's their job to be****IGNED AS A SELLER, which then means they have to collect sales tax and handle transfer duties. Why do you as car loving collector/swapper/enthusiast have a duty to do that as well? You don't. At the risk of bordering on political no entity has any power to tell you how many of anything you can own or sell. Your property bought n paid for, transfered ownership to you, and again they can not tell you what you can and can't have or trade or sell or whatever. It's a myth. It's a "...and we'll just scare ppl into compliance..." decision. How do I know? Dear ol Dad and I were facing that one year. Cops showed up. Funny, no law that limited our LEGAL activity in spite of a jealous nosy neighbor. It was a good year too. Like 4 or 5 car flips, and then a Triumph Spitfire gig that was 3 cars. No laws broken. Is a collector a dealer when he liquidates? So why are you over some********* arbitrary number?

 

I hate that this thread has turned int a****le thread, because it really does not need to!

The FACT is your state MUST abide by the rules of the state the vehicle was purchased in. In other words...States like Georgia did NOT have****les before (I believe 1969) those cars MUST be****led in your state if you apply for them! Argue if you want, but facts are facts...I have done it more than 2 dozen times here in Ohio with cars from states that did not have****les originally with successful outcomes.

God Bless
Bill
https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum...ar-transport-hauling-open-or-enclosed.614419/

 

I don't consider someone acting as the agent for the owner to be****le jumping, or anything bad at all. What I don't like to get involved with, is a****le that was notarized a decade or two ago, that goes to a ride that has changed hands a dozen times. Here in Wyo, we have to have a dated bill of sale to give the taxman, so in these cases somebody has to forge one if there is going to be a****le issued. It gets really interesting when the****le has the name of a deceased owner on it, and that name is recognized by someone in the treasurer's office, when the bill of sale has the dead guy's supposed signature, and a date that is several years after his death.

 

Lack of a****le isn't the end all deal killer. I've spent an hour at DMV getting records to find out what the legal back story is on a desirable car. Use that as leverage on the sale price. Dunno if DMV is still that cooperative.

Dashes.
Nothing kills a sale for me like a hacked up dash to attempt to fit*****py audio equipment.
So many times I've gone to look at what was definitely a grandma-mobile only to find it had been*****d by the ignorant grandson. Dashes hacked apart, wire harness's stripped with*****er knives, and a*****py double DIN radio with spaghetti wire harness hanging below. *shiver*

Heh, that was my bread and*****er for some side work for about a year. OBDII has made some mechanics lazy, and made some technicians think they can fix anything.
I love me some hard diagnostics. The only time I'd have an issue with one of these OT cars was when someone would 'remove' any of the smog equipment because they thought it made the car run better. Placebo effect. Most of the time it was simply coked up components and 30' of 3/16" vacuum hose that needed some replacing.

 

The law in Pennsylvania is that if a resident sells more than 5 vehicles in one year, that person needs a dealers licence. This is not a myth. Nor is it an arbitrary number. Sell 6 and probably no one would care. But it's a legal standard just the same. I'm not trying to be a total Dudley Do-Right here, just looking for accurate information. I urge every HAMBer to learn their state's rules.

 

My big thing is with the OBD1 cars isn't the diagnostic I actually like doing diagnostic work It's the fact that most of them are loaded with plastic hoses that you just look at funny and they crumble, carburetors that are tuned so lean that they ping and diesel on modern ethanol garbage fuel, plastic components that are now 40 years old that just disintegrate under the hood from all the hot and cold cycles. Then there are the legendary evap leaks It seems like every vehicle from that era always has and I don't have the specialized tools to look for this stuff, next is the fact the smog cost on average 20 bucks more than it does on an OBD2 car to do and that is if you can find a shop that is willing to do it (There are still plenty of shops that want to do it but there is a lot less than there was say 10 or 15 years ago and everyday less and less shops are doing OBD1 cars because it is extremely expensive to maintain that dyno). Another thing I absolutely despise is when you were talking about 1976 to about 1990 ish cars are so lackluster in performance, 460 cubic inch Ford big block made what 180 horsepower in the F350, The tuneport injection Chevy small block (a really good fuel injection system if I'm giving credit where it is due) made 230ish horsepower.
A small block Chevy is such a great engine and there's so much power locked away in it but being in California you can't do anything with them. People talk about the Buick regal Grand national or t-type like they are some impressive superfast car but it is relative to the era they were in They are impressive for 1980s terms but in stock form they are pretty mediocre when compared to some of the production cars of the late '60s or early '70s.
What is crazy to me is the price some of the 1980s cars are starting to pull, Not only the square body Chevy pickups, But the Mazda rotaries, The Nissan 260 and 280Zs, The four-wheel drive Toyota pickup some 4Runners, The first generation Range rovers, Jeep CJ7s and 8s.
They are all starting to pull crazy good money and at least here in California I don't know who would want to own one generally speaking (Even if I do like a Range Rover or a CJ7 Jeep I don't want one not living here at least lol)
Sorry a bit of a rant I don't think it's really a comment it's more of a rant.

 

One thing to keep in mind, there’s a difference in someone who flips “x” amount of cars a year vs someone who****ists an owner selling his/her car. I’d say more of an Agent/broker maybe?

 

At least Pennsylvania lays it out nice and clear.

 

Well, no****le would be a deal-breaker for me. JMTC. I don't want the hassle. And, if I just couldn't resist, I certainly wouldn't involve time or money in the project until I had that clear****le in hand.

 

Just saw a "new" one in an ad, and had to share: "rare find, a little rusty But nothing that can't be fixed. "
Well, I guess he's right....sorta....

 

as someone else said my wife she thinks I have enough

 

Barn Find.... and flipping it with no knowledge

Numbers Matching original*****.. fakes every where, stamping services all over eBay, internet..

 

@GlassThamesDoug - you are right, and it's buyer beware. Recently saw an ad in a magazine, possibly Hemmings for a firm that pursues vehicle fraud. Not just****le/vin stuff, but as you pointed out, the stampings on the parts.

 

I sold a near mint car, that was in grandma attire... aka basic car, it became a number matching BBC big $$ car sold for $$..... said I'll never buy number matching, or restored again.

 

deal breaker for me is whe you close the door a little too hard and a slab of bondo falls off

 

Hello,

My wife and I have purchased many different cars and old hot rods. When we had the money saved up for the next project, we were satisfied at our budget. The hot rod projects were matched up to the money available, so, that made choosing simple and efficient. If it was a “more than what we wanted in a project or level build car,” then additional spare change was always hidden away somewhere.

We had plenty of money to live a fun and happy life, but my wife was a fantastic money saving and cost projection person to know back then. She learned, as we all did, about costs and places that cost money to visit. We had saved enough money to be able to spend a month on a Carribean vacation with my brother and his wife.

It was planned out well and we had a nice waterfront house rented for our base of explorations. The area was a little expensive and we lasted only a week, with spare change in our pockets, a couple of 6 packs of duty free, island liquor, in each hand running through the Miami Airport to get on board back to So Cal. Ha!

So, now we were back at home and we realized we missed our photography of So Cal and our hot rod inclusions. Then, we started on a search for the next project. We actually wanted a hot rod we could start and just begin our longer road trips and driving to local places.

Jnaki
We started to go see several old hot rods that would fit our needs, fit a surfboard inside, have room for photography equipment, be able to sleep when needed on long road trips and be comfortable for the two of us.

A 50 Ford coupe with a nice black paint, stock fuzzy upholstery, and nice chrome wheels looked good and the price was fine with us. We had the cash in our pockets and were ready to buy the coupe. But, it was the way the owner presented the car to us, the unusual odor coming from the car and owner as we approached the garage location. Instantly , my wife gave me a look about turning around and leaving.

She did like the Ford Coupe, but not what was attacking our noses. She knew we could not get that lingering odor out, even with upholstery cleaner and airing it out for days… So, my wife excused us and the old gruff guy told us that we were missing out on the great sale. My wife said the body odor of the old owner made the interior smell to some awful level and even the seat backs smelled. On to the next project or build…YRMV

Note: from an old post:

We are sure that because he had several old cars in that garage, he****umed he had the upper hand in any bargaining. So, he refused the offer we made. It was a Flathead powered, three, two barrel carbs, chrome rims and nice upholstery. It even sounded nice on starting.

But, it was not to be on this road trip. My wife was anxious to leave that garage. Something did not smell right. It was either the person, the garage, or the interior, something spooked her and she gave me the “high-eye” motion to get the $%@@ out of there.

A similar looking Ford
Did the floor shift ding the purchase? On the way out of the over-stuffed garage in Central OC, my wife said, it did not have A/C. Ha! That sealed the “no deal.” If that was the case, A/C could have been added, but that was an episode that was never mentioned again. I also think that the seller was a big head guy that thought his old cars were worth the price he was asking, without any bargaining. I kept seeing the same ads for several more months. My wife also said there was this smell…etc.

 

This is a tough one for me. I'm not inherently against it, but there is a big difference between a car sitting on reproduction rails or even (in a modern build) a Roadster Shop chassis, and sticking a car on an later model, but still old, chassis.

There is a car for sale here in the classifieds now that I absolutely love the look of but it has been chassis swapped with a 78 GM chassis. Really, it's a tremendously styled car, but when you look closer, you see that they basically just took like a 78 Olds and dropped the on-topic car on top of it, and used all the rest of the stuff from it too as a donor. Some anemic 305 with all of the 1970s trimmings, the horrific tilt column, even the ugly bench seat. And the dude wants a pile of money for it, likely thinking that all that***** is a selling point. It's not. It's actually taking away from the value significantly.

 

^ Pretty sure I know what car you are referring to.
Tinted glass in modern hues on a classic isn't a deal breaker but on older cars EZ Eye or clear is it for me.