Hey Steve, These fenders were bought over a year ago (maybe two), and I don't think Ray was comfortable selling them ( he told us about 6 times that they didn't make them), the very first rear fenders that they (made) sold had the wire crimped into the bead to tight and you couldn't get them on straight, He called Bill and told him when we came down to get the body bring those fenders and he would give us the new ones. I trust Ray and Ken, they make a great product, if they are building them, them self I would buy with confidence.