History Did Ford design the OHV before Chevy?

As far as US war production,this is supposed to prove GM outproduced anyone.......

General Motors converted all of its production to the Allied war effort and delivered more than $12 billion worth of goods, ranging from airplanes to tanks, marine diesel engines, trucks, machine guns, and shells. No other manufacturer delivered as much material to the Allied forces.
Here is a list of the WWII General Motors War Material Production 1940-45: (This is the best list I could assemble from the contemporary sources at war's end)
198,000 Diesel engines for tanks & landing craft
206,000 Airplane engines
13,000 Complete bombers and fighter planes
97,000 Aircraft propellors
301,000 Aircraft gyroscopes
38,000 Tanks, tank destroyers and armored vehicles
854,000 Trucks, including amhibious DUKWs
190,000 Cannons
1,900,000 Machine guns and submachine guns
3,142,000 Carbines
3,826,000 Electric motors
11,111,000 Fuses
360,000,000 Ball and roller bearings
119,562,000 Shells
39,181,000 Cartridge cases
540,619,000 Grand Total


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On a side note, my grandfather ,once years ago, saw some model car box (I believe it might have been AMT's deuce coupe) and has since claimed that in 1932 Ford had a sophisticated independent rear suspension with disc brakes mounted on the diff. (jag axle anyone...)
as for an 16 year old trying to convince a 60 year old he was wrong...let's not get into it...

 

There were three Chevrolet brothers; Louis, Arthur and Gaston, who all drove race cars at some time. I think it was only Louis who was involved with Chevrolet cars. Billy Durant used him and his famous (at the time) name as a lever to get General Motors back after he had been chucked out by the other directors in 1910. He established Chevrolet and made it strong enough that he was able to take over GM in 1915 but was subsequently dumped again in 1920. Billy Durant was the kingpin of all of GM's early history and any biography of him is very interesting reading. He was not a car guy, he was a wheeler dealer who spent most of his time on the phone trading stocks. Walter Chrysler left his senior position at Buick after waiting three days for an appointment to see Durant.

 

Just a bit added here to make the message work.

 

I am sloshin around in a murkey mystery substance here. Forgetting all that old pre 1920's stuff, fFord came out with the y-block in the Lincoln's in 1952 or 53 and then added it to the fFord and Mercury lines in 1954, jumping the gun on Chevy that kicked off the sbc in 1955. That is the stuff most hotrodders are concerned with. Not that histroy should be swept under the rug. I have so much junk under there already there may not be room for it. Rock on new dude. ~sololobo~

 

There was a message earlier where someone thought that Oldsmobile also used the V8 that Chevrolet used in 1917-18. Olds had their own V8 engine and it was a flathead. There were quite a few V8 engines on the market in the US in the teens - along with some V12s, but none had a long term effect on the market.

 

In talking to the old guys in the steel mill where I worked , the government didn't give you much of a choice, they kind of told you what you were going to produce. The plant I worked at,(much later) made thousands of tons of armor for the tanks , bogie wheels , drive sprockets etc. at cost plus 10% so a lot of money was to be made during the war.
And they said the Gooberment always had a ton of people running around the plant just to make sure everything was on the up and up.

 

In the back of my head I think I´ve read that Zora Arkus Duntov , who designed the OHV ardun kits for the flatty Fords was also involved in designing the Chevy SB. Maybe that´s where this myth comes from.

 

I actually have it right here in the book "The Dodge Story" Thomas A McPhearson that they did do design work for Ford. But like anything unless you were there anything that you read is just conjecture.

 

Olds introduced their flathead V-8 in 1916, a year before Chevrolet's OHV V-8. Olds produced it 1916-1918 and 1919-1921

Cadillac had a flathead V-8 in 1915.

 

Chevrolet never ran a flathead of any configuration.

 

I've got a buddy who has a 1923 Chevrolet "Side Oiler" ya get out and squirt the rocker assembly's from the side every now and then with an oil can.

 

boys yer forgittin ardun heads

here is fords first cammer made during ww2 it was used in sherman tanks

specsBore 5.4 in / 137.16 mm
Stroke 6 in / 152.4 mm
Displacement 1100 ci / 18.0 l
Compression ratio 7.5
Torque 1050 ft-lbs at 2200 RPM
Horsepower 500 at 2600 rpm

 

The Model "L" six cylinder was a one year only flathead six. Made in 1913 while they were also making the bigger T-Head inline six.
I didn't like to find that out because it takes away the opportunity to yell at the Ford guys that "every Chevrolet ever made was an O.H.V.".
The Henway historian is a cool guy who has it all together. Love it.

 

In 1913 Henry Ford went to Germany to talk to the Kaiser about building an engine plant in Stettin Germany. Ford was given plans for the latest technological German engines that the Kaiser was developing for powering Zeppelins for Atlantic crossing trips.
These engines had the overhead valve concept design of which you speak.
In a show of good faith the Kaiser sent a team of engineers to Detroit to help Ford develop the OHV Ford engine that became the Y block. The engineers also had concept drawings and plans for a wide array of prototypical engines including early designs for the Hemi that Desoto would develop.
The engineers lived peacefully in detroit for years and upon the break out of war remained in the US to help develop engines such as the 1917 Chevrolet engine you see pictured.
These engineers would later return to Germany to work for Messer Schmidt in developing the mighty V16 Super Messer Schmidt Luft Tiger aircraft engine. Fortunately the war ended before these mighty engines could be developed and fit into aircraft.
These V16 Hemi engines eventually became the basis for Ferrari's racing engines.

So it was Messer Schmidt Aircraft Korporation that first developed the OHV engine in 1913 for Ford.

 

You sure the name wasn't Fuller Schmidt?

 

and the debate rages on..........

 

Hell this is fun and interesting too!

 

Cadillac sold their first V-8 in 1914. But something I haven't seen mentioned in this discussion; in 1923 Cadillac introducerd the 90 degree crankshaft. Prior to that V-8 engines had flat 180 degree crankshafts that looked like 4-cyl cranks. Following that innovation all mainstream road-going V-8s(including the Ford flat-head and Chevy SB) have used 90 degree crankshafts, and most race V-8s do too.

All the primary elements of the SBC..... V-8 lay-out, pushrod valvetrain, combustion chamber layout, 90 degree crankshaft, 180 degree intake manifold, etc, etc....... Like most things, no one company had all the ideas. Ideas get combined, mixed, and remixed, until to overall best options and combinations get sorted out.

 

.... And who was in the middle of all this??? Good ol' Motown!

 

I always heard that Ford used V-8 engines so they would have at least 6 cylinders operational.

 

who designed the Fronty overhead for the model tee? Chev brothers right?

 

Just remember, Studebaker beat both Ford and Chev in 1951! And Buick had OHV's since 1903!

 

That was him.
The one and only Alphonsus Fullier De Schmidt of the Institute for Horse Powered Vehicules for Der Driving Und Transportations Un Don Cha Tink, SaarBrucken Germany.
He was a fully institutionalized genius.
He also developed the first naturally exasperated carbureator.
The string less Yoyo.
And Carp polish.

Very well regarded in all circles of Der Finen Bulshitzen Acadammys.

Must be true, the bar gal at the Pork Und Hock Restaurant told me so. Why would she seek to misinform me? Seemed like a nice gal, she got better lookin as the night wore on too. Makes more sense than several of these Chevy stories do.

 

No! you are wrong just plain wrong! .....1!

 

I think I read this story on the box of a McDonald's Happy Meal. If Ronald McDonald says so, it's got to be for real.

 

no!!!

 

Naaa... I think it was Puelerschmidt..

 

What a great winding, wierd and wildly entertaining trip this has been! To the original question asked however; NO!

 

lol it must have been desighed by ford look how well thay fit in a ford