History Did Ford design the OHV before Chevy?

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You're absolutely correct Tinman! I had one of those Henway V12s in my '37 Castagna bodied Diamond T and I never had a problems with it. I found my Diamond T in an old barn. According to the farmer, it kept busting rearends and twisting driveshafts so he used it for years to run an irrigation pump off of the original Henway PTO. He said it always ran like a watch and he never had to do a thing to it. He said, that Henway had never even had the heads off it! Finally, it developed an oil pan leak and he couldn't find a gasket for it anywhere so he parked it until I came across it years later when I was squirrel hunting.

I couldn't believe it, I put a battery in it, poured a little gas down the Henway tri-power carbs (3 four barrels) and it fired right up. A fella I met at the Hot-Dog-On-A-Stick told me his friend had one in the early 60's, only his had one of the rare Diamond T all aluminum bodies and would run a 10 second 1/4 mile right from the factory while hauling a load of hogs. I finally had to get rid of it cause it was getting oil all over my driveway and the old lady was pissed. I went Autozone and even Kragen but I couldn't find a pan gasket anywhere. I finally sold it to some kid up around the Saragosa. He said he wanted to put that Henway in his Mustang. What an idiot! A Henway in a Ford?

 

I like cheese.

 

Me two Doc!

 

Well, I know for a fact that Ford used supercharged chromed sbc's with dual 4brls as early as in the 1923 T-buckets Cause I've seen them both in person and magazines, several times

 

This thread has been great so far, 20% BS, 30% fact, 20% urban legend, 60% tall tales, 15.7% Wikipedia "facts". Now to figure out which is which.

 

I agree 145.7% !!

 

There is a 1920 Chevrolet in the Chevrolet Museum that has a very first generation V-8. It never worked out and Louis Chevrolet went back to producing four cylinder engines until he sold the company.
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How about a 1948 lincolin cosmopolitan flat head v-8 with a powerglide trans!!!!!!

 

A basic answer.... To the best of my knowlwdge Chevy NEVER produced a valve in block (Flathead) engine. They were all OHV designs.

I have heard another, probably urban legend that the 351 was designed by an independant engineer that shopped it to GM first where it was rejected, being too similar to the existing sbc. I doubt it is credible considering Ford already had the 289, 302 etc, I assume the 351 evolved from them.

 

Isn't that the same guy that invented the internet?

 

Yeah, pretty much. 5/8 taller deck, longer stroke, basically everything else the same as the 260/289/302...

And Ford didn't mass produce an "early" OHV because they didn't give a fuck...they were already selling cars as fast as they could build them...in 21 or so different countries on 5 continents.

 

To add more useless knowledge...

Mr. Buick designed the first valve in head design in 1909ish.

 

About 3 pounds.

 

One of the problems they had with the 1917 Chevy was the rod bearings didn't hold up worth a darn. You could use Whippet bearings in them as they were plentiful at the time. My dad sold Chevys during that time. He made wrecker our of the car because of the power it had.

 

Whereas 87.3% of statistics are 97.6% bunk, this thread is 100% entertaining and 80+% informational.


I read somewhere that GM and Packard were the only 2 car companies to come out of WW2 having made a profit. I also read that Henry pissed of the Brits over negotiations to build the Merlin v12, so they went to Packard and were very impressed at how they did things there. Packard also built a lot of PT-boat engines.


Peugeot had three very clever engineers in the early teens known as Les Chalatans who did a fascinating amount of great development of GP engines at that time, and they seem to have heavily influenced engine design fot the next generation . . . but who cares, right?


Good efforts on the threads. I think I like it here.

 

Just because a guy wears a bowtie once, you call him a cross dresser...Geez!

 

Peugeot had a DOHC, 4 valve pent roof in the teens, Miller saw the design and it all evolved into the Offy. Amazing that the design is still used in racing engines a hundred years later. Albeit with narrow valve angles.


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funny stuff kids but all nonsense.

 

I was told by a very wise old man... not to belive anything you hear and only 1/2 of what you see . After reading this stuff I think he was right..Anybody got pictures maybe I can belive 1/2 of it if I see it.... Hahahahhahahhhahahhahhhah.

 

I think Dr Kettering was the designer of the olds as well as the Caddy motors wasnt he. the SBC we all love was the child of Bill Cole and as recall Zora had a bit in its development didnt he.

 

Henry Ford created many engines and experimented with all manner of design dating back into
the 1800's but with the new found profits from The Ford Motor Company he was allowed the
freedom to design freely.

Below are a few of his design and ideas including an overhead cam engine of 1907
Manufacture (~1904 design).
































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THANK YOU! 1914 to be exact.

 

Where do the hemi roots come from??? I suspect that also came from the french as well...

 

What about it?? There were no PGs in 48, but some Lincolns had GM Hydros

 

OHC, DOHC, four valve heads, hemispherical heads etc. were all known before WW1. One of the problems was the materials to make them work as we now know they do weren't available at the time or the cost was prohibitive. The advantages of extremely high compression and alcohol were well known. Why wasn't it used? Very simple. Spark plugs of the period couldn't fire at 14 or 15:1. Rudge motorcycles produced a genuine hemi head with radially spaced valves in the 30s but the operating mechanism proved too complex for mass production.

As Harry Truman said "The only thing new is the history you don't know".

 

I didn't read this entire thing. I know that you know about the 1917 Chevy OHV V8s. And I guess you know about the thousands of 32 Valve DOHC V8 engines Ford built in the forties. Four bolt, cross bolted five main engines., Ford knew how to build good engines and did. Just not for cars

 

So it seems that Henry had plenty of ohv designs but stuck with the one the masses could afford. No wonder there are ten times more Ford's from the 20's and 30's than chebie's and dodge's. Besides, Henry made better cars than them back then(and better looking too). But, the sbc and the tri 5's obviously changed that for GM. I've been into cars for a long time, and I'm kinda burnt out on chevy's now. If I was to get one, maybe a 351C powered 69 or 70 Camaro. or a Boss 429 powered Chevelle(don't care if it costs more). Now that's something I'd get exited about.

 

We are off topic here but what the heck. Chevrolet out sold Ford many times during the 30s including 1932. I do agree Ford made very attractive and durable cars but the tastes of the buying public really started to swing after about 1935 (the only year Ford outsold Chev in the 30s I believe).

 

not to interupt all the BSing going on but I would love to hear that v10 run, I bet it doesnt sound like anything any of us have ever heard.