Do the Primer Nats represent the H.A.M.B. taste?

Sorry about the second one...Groucho was yelling at me!!!

 

I'm in for the Old Farts Club.
Who's collecting the dues?

 

I'm pretty picky when it comes to cars that I like, and I found enough at the Primer Nat's that I enjoyed. Not all of the cars in my pictures are great choices but it's also to show a little bit of everything for those who weren't there: http://www.flickr.com/photos/kustom1/sets/72157607041418301/

After reading all five pages of this thread so far, maybe I missed it, but is it possible that the OFC is wearing rose colored glasses? I've seen old magazines featuring some "show cars" that are wackadelic, craptastic, out of proportion wastes of money. So they're shiny and full of chrome? Bad proportions and style is bad proportions and style wether it's rusty or shiny and no matter what era it was built in. I don't think the past was as perfect as some are saying.

Also, it seems to me that many of the HAMB type of cars are inspired by many early salt flat racing cars, from the books I have, there are plenty of imperfect cars featured from back in the day. No, they're not at a car show, but it's what inspires many HAMBers in my opinion; hence what you see filling up many HAMB friendly shows in this modern era.

My Dad was there in the mid-50's. Newport Beach, CA "Timers" car club. From what he's told me, he and his buddies built what they could with the money they earned. It was the rich kids that had Daddy buy everything for them that had the shiny, chromed out "show cars". They built a '38 Willy's sedan with a Hispano-Suiza V12 that had straight pipes simply sticking out through holes in the side of the car. It was a race car. People are building street cars with straight pipes emulating some old race cars. So who's right or wrong?

Look at what you like, skip what you don't.

 

Your tits trumps my ducks.........I feel bad for the ducks, the coyotes may get em................

 

I was already betting that this thread will get dumped, and a few of the last posts are most likely the final nail in this threads coffin.

 

Gee, I thought it was just folks in my area building crap? I know when I started building my primered hot rod, it was with the ultimate goal of building the best car I could. I now see many cars that are built from crap, in a crappy way that look like crap. People walk up to them and say things like "man that's cool!". My biggest concern is that a large group of young "builders" are now convinced that crappy equals creative. I had, for the most part, stayed away from the local civilian shows for the last 3-4 years. I hit one a while back and felt like I was on another planet. Honestly wasn't sure if I was out of touch or the other 200-300 people at the show were. I was hoping that the crappy car trend was isolated to Texas, sadly sounds like it's gone nation wide. Don't get me wrong, Texas has some beautiful cars and great builders, but Im definitely seeing the local scene break into 2 factions.

 

Wow another stupid fucking post that dosen`t mean anything and will go no whare....

 

Here's an easy way to settel this thread...

All you guys that agree that there was nothing but Junk at the Primer Nats and have nothing better to do than Bitch about it here, Go ahead & do so but before you hit the send button.....

ATTACH A PIC OF YOUR CAR TO SHOW US HOW TO DO IT !!

 

I'm still waiting for pictures of your dog Bob!!!

 

I'll stick up for 50fraud.....He knows how to do it!!!!
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My dog's name isn't Bob!!!

 

Bob,
I know plenty of the guys at that show that will turn there nose up at anything that isn't stock.
These comments will happen at every show because we all have different taste and ideas of what is good and bad.

Peer preasure is the best way to get people to improve the quality of there builds. As stated above, if a builder hero of yours crushes you because your car isn't done, take that as a chalange to make your car better then his. Your car gets finished and there is one less shitbox at the next show. We all win.

If you wimper and whine because he wasn't sensitive to your feelings, then find shows that have cars that are shittier then yours and be best in show!!!! Again we all win because we won't be at those shows.
My $0.02

 

Thanks, Bob. I just spit beer out of my nose...LOL

 

why the need to sugarcoat this?a LARGE pecentage (and a LARGE percentage are members here-and of course YOU dont know who you are-if you knew,youd get a clue) of young rodders are building shit on purpose!yes there were some misproportioned oddballs in early rod and custom issues!but they werent primered (mind you i am building a primer car-will probably change sooner rather than later) and they sure as fuck werent rusty!first person to find a 50's era rod mag with a rusty car (and dont try to sneak a eastwood and barakat rusto rod pic-that was 77,i believe) wins a handjob from the chic in the pic with the 38 chev!i doubt shes worried.furthermore,the welds i see on these cars could have been done better by ronnie milsap with guidance by stevie wonder!an elementary school kid could do better with a coathanger and a lampcord,so dont try to pass off that bullshit as traditional.lets all refuse to refer to shit as traditional.if you see an intentional turd,its a rat rod wether you like the vocab or not.they keep building that crap,and the government SHOULD take those cars.after the sixteen inch channel theyre not really good for anything anymore anyway!

 

50FRAUD ought to do just that. I agree with Tony, things seem stale.

ebb and flow? Who knows, I'm going beddy-bye soon.

 

i thought that there was some nice cars there i mean some werent to great but more then most were nice

 

thank you.

 

OFC here..

I like the diversity..however..hearing..it's "Old Sckool" or "Trad"..or done like "Back in the day" and being TOLD how it was..is comical BS to us that were doin' it in 40+ years ago.

The interpetation is a charecture of lives many of us lived..rods we built..
Gets old hearing how it was from a charecture artist..

Build 'em anyway you want..but revisionist history gonna' have to wait until were dead..cause what I'm TOLD is traditonal..oftentimes looks like a cartoon version of reality..

Build 'em safe..after that I really don't care what someone wants to build..just don't tell me it's like "back in the day".. I was there.

One aspect..we built rods as we wanted..dreamed..learned how..used imagination..

Copying another era..charecture or repoduction says a lot about things today..

Perhaps "doing your own thing" is lost..got to try to reproduce our efforts..

Is there a lack of creativity ? Or just admiration of our times..that causing this stagnation... Is it just Billet-aversion..? Reactionary cliches..? Building to look like it was hauled from a field isn't patina..it's usually called rust.
We didn't even know the word patina..I thought it was the greek chic on the next block with the nice tongue..

Like what we did in our time ?..now do what your generation can create..be the trend setters..not a cartoon..

And telling us older guys what it was "really like" is just plain ridiculous..

Let's see some creativity..not just cartoon impersonations..

I see a lot of talent..I sure would like to see hot rods of the 21st century..
Is there no where left to go ? Did we do it all already..? Can't be..just can't..


Dream it..learn how to make real..DO IT..

 

After viewing photo's of the Primer Nats and various other shows something came to mind.

There seem to be two types of people , Some people are like bees and are attracted to things of beauty ....

Others are like flies and are attracted to shit ....

 

First of all, I hate to even add my .02 to this, but most of the purposely shittily-built cars I have seen are built by balding, middle aged, or 60-something guys who are just screaming out for attention, kind of like "corvette guy". Im a younger guy and my car is still primered, but it will eventually get painted and a real upholstery job, as soon as I work out the mechanical bugs and save up enough dough.

As for the hand-job, I dont have any magazines..but I have tons of vintage hotrod pictures of cars with dents and primer and questionable engineering. Not every old hotrod ever built was in a mag, Most were just built by average joes with the means available to them. Shit, some of the old survivor hot rods that I have seen have some funny stuff going on engineering wise!

I have learned a lot on here about making things safe and the proper way to do stuff. Long live the HAMB>

 

I never said there was nothing but junk, and I commented that T-Roy's coverage showed many nice cars. Nor do I claim that my cars are extraordinary, but here are several of them:

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/album.php?albumid=929

 

I missed the show this year and after seeing a photo-thread of the first day I really didn't mind missing it.
Then there was another photo-thread and saw some good looking cars and was relieved that the primer-nats still attracted decent rods and customs,
not just the circus bullsh%t and Kustom Kulture bullshit that they advertise.

I will defend the rusty car though, as long as it has good lines.

You know my rusty 40 POS coupe from another thread(s),
I'll probably leave it that way, and I hope it will look good to get your attention!

There's something cool about saving rust that is one step from the grave I guess.
And its fun gettin a $600 shitpile into a bitchin ride that gets more attention that a shitty looking over-invested shiny car.

Since alot of guys don't have thousands to spend on a bitchin body/basketcase/old restoration etc.
We have to start with what we can afford, trade up, whatever.
Then you get attached to the rusty pile and get threads like this!

HOWEVER
This isn't a defense of those wrong (to me) looking cars though.
AND there are plenty of shiny cars that are wrong looking too...


I'm babbling....

TP

 

You know what 50fraud,
someday i'll have a shiny car,
maybe when my garage has some space!
TP

 

** I think BadBob has it right, I've been to a few Primer Nats and it's in my top two shows along with Paso Maria. I went to Billet Proof and it's about 90% primer cars where as the Primer Nats is about 60/40 n favor of primer cars. Like any show you take long looks at things you like and pass on things you don't. There is a lot of good eye candy at the Primer Nats, 40StudeDude was there, I wonder what he thinks being from out of state?

To me the so called traditional ride of today is a mix of:

1. jalopy derby cars
2. Ed Roth cars
3. East coast style channeled cars
4. Biker look

*Don't get me wrong there's some real nice traditional rides being built today so it's not all of them, the list is just a general list and nothing more.
Take a look on how the new traditional group dresses now, it's a mix of the early '50's look, and the biker look with all the tattoo's. The only difference in the look is everyone wears a black T shirt unlike the white shirt of the day. The best of of the scene is the women who dress in the 40's era which is very cool. I say to each his own, just have fun at the show there room for all custom hot rod types.

CRUISER

 

I cannot wait to attend the Primer Nats someday. And as a 46 yr old newbie to traditional hotrodding, I try hard to embrace it all.
And yep I of course have my favorite style too.
However as a spectator attending a show like this, I think I'd rather see a bit of everything... traditional/custom/wacky, bring it all. I want my money's worth.

 

Oh yeah, and love that Hunnert Car Pileup too.

Wish someone did a video of the Primer Nats like they do at Billetproof and Hunnert!

And then there's the Asphalt invitational... is that still going?

 

I'm in with Tony'n'Phil.

 

Hey Ryan... can't you make this thread "sticky?" Gary

 

As I live on the East Coast
I did not attend the Primer Nats.

But the HAMB taste to me is as varied as the the membership of the HAMB. We have young guys and old guys that get it ... and we have young guys and old guys that DO NOT get it. The few very prominent women who post here DO generally get it.

I sometimes see photo coverage of a event and say to myself ... what a bunch of JUNK ... were there not any decent cars there ? Then I see coverage of the same event ... from a different HAMBer and I say " WOW ... what a good looking bunch of rides " Different members have different tastes and it reflects in the photos they take. They photograph what interests them.

A lot of the stuff here ... is not traditional. It may be pre 1964, but it is certainly not traditional rodding from back in the day. My own two Deuces ... may not be traditional in some members opinions ... They are real 1932 Henry Ford steel ... but they are considered too Street Rod ... for some here.

I see a LOT of stuff here ... that is junk and scrap. I have scrapped way better stuff ... I see excellant fabrication work here ... that I can only WISH I could do. I see outstanding cars that really light my fire. To para-quote that FAMOUS southern gentleman ... Forrest Gump ... The HAMB is like a box of Chocolates ... You just never know what you are going to get ...

 

Was there some unfinished junk? Absolutely. Was that indicative of the whole show? No way. I am only 25, but I have been going to car shows for 20 years. I am a very critical guy, because I grew up around cars. I have learned to be picky and find things wrong with even the nicest cars. That being said, overall, aside from a few of the nasty rods driven by guys with huge pompadours and rolled up jeans, there were some nice cars.

Case in point.

I wasn't sure I liked suede either, but this car changed my mind.

Looks pretty traditional to me.

Doesn't really get more traditional than that.


Now, I didn't want to post any more pictures because there are enough threads already. But I just wanted to make the point that there were some very nice cars there.