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Does the USA have nation wide rules rot hotrod building?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Aussie osborne, Feb 10, 2011.

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  1. Pir8Darryl
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    Somebody has their tin foil hat on a little too tight :D
    While big-brother may very well be watching, I seriously doubt a few hundred old farts playing around with 50 year old cars is very high on their priority list... Especially with sky high un-employment, out of control gooberment, rising food and fuel prices, inflation, nuclear Iran, etc, etc, etc...
     
  2. Rootie Kazoootie
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    Really? Thats the stuff they don't want to deal with. Why do you think we have so many stupid bullshit laws on the books yet the economy is now in the toilet and they have managed to ignore the social security crisis they have seen coming for the last several decades? They have to justify their existance somehow.
     
  3. Warpspeed
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    Here in Victoria (Australia) there are three completely different ways to get a set of plates to get your rod onto the street.

    1/ Join a club and get a club permit, that is not full road registration, only a permit to drive your rod at certain times under restricted conditions. This is cheap, easy, and very popular, but it does leave you open to police harassment. "o/k driver where are you going, and let me see your log book".

    2/ Individually constructed vehicle. This is a re-bodied modern chassis, but it must still comply with all the design rules applicable to the model year of the chassis you are using. It must be fully engineered, and be presented to the registration authorities for full road registration. They will then start arguing about child proof locks, multi speed windscreen wipers and a vast list other really irritating small details that absolutely must be complied with if the chassis you are using had those particular features fitted as part of the Design Rules.

    3/ Modified production vehicle. This will be based an original pre 1949 chassis. No home made or aftermarket chassis allowed. No fiberglass bodies. It is then recognized as still being a pre 1949 vehicle. which it actually still is. It must be fully engineered, and the registration authorities will then accept it no questions, because all the later design rule nonsense with an ICV was not in existence when the original vehicle was built. However, your engineer will insist on a very high standard of construction, adequate braking, steeling out, seat belt anchorages, and so on. But the engineer himself decides what constitutes a safe roadworthy pre 1949 vehicle. If he does not like split bones or hairpins, or drum rear brakes, you have to do it his way.
     
  4. hotrodladycrusr
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    To answer your simple question, no there is no nationwide federal regulation regarding how a person builds their car.

    Each state is different. In Michigan we have no inspection whatsoever when building a hot rod, either before, during, or after. It is one of the easiest states to obtain a rego and title.
     

  5. Really? When Boyds show got popular the tax police just happened to show up at his place out of COINCIDENCE?:rolleyes:
     
  6. Hackerbilt
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Pir8Darryl
    Somebody has their tin foil hat on a little too tight
    While big-brother may very well be watching, I seriously doubt a few hundred old farts playing around with 50 year old cars is very high on their priority list... Especially with sky high un-employment, out of control gooberment, rising food and fuel prices, inflation, nuclear Iran, etc, etc, etc...


    Exactly! Pir8Darryl seems to live in a much more benign world than the rest of us! LoL

    All it takes is for ONE bored Government worker to get an idea in their head and start screwing around with things, just to help legitimize his existance, and the shit hits the fan.
    It's the same everywhere and can affect all forms of personal freedom we tend to take for granted.

    I'm an alarmist you say?
    I consider it being a realist.
     
  7. It's relatively wide open here in Oklahoma -for now. We just registered our roadster last summer. They mainly wanted to see reciepts for the large ticket items - maybe proof that they were not stolen. Had to make a trek to the state capitol in Oklahoma City and the folks were pretty helpful - I was pleasantly surprised! They gave us a vin # with a prefix of AS for "assembled vehicle". No inspection, safety or other wise, was made - the busty lady at the tag office did come out just to see the car and wanted a ride!
     
  8. Francisco Plumbero
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    Is this where you bite the head off the bat?
     
  9. Gator
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    Yup - for example the city I live in is actually in two counties, with hwy 31 running right thru the middle. If you live on the East of highway 31 (like me) you're in Sumner county, which has emissions testing for cars built after 1974, and like the second highest wheel tax in the state. I have to drive to Gallatin TN to get tags.

    West of hwy 31 is Roberston county, with no emissions testing and much lower wheel/property taxes... and you have to drive to Springfield TN for your tags.

    Yup, that's why it's kinda silly when guys ask vague questions here like 'how do I get a title for my car?'

    Lets all hope it stays that way... I'm sometimes envious of how easy it is to get a title in Georgia or Alabama (and that's changing), but I'd hate to have to deal with some of the stuff I hear happens in other states...
     
  10. Nads
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    We don't have many rules, hell, Florida doesn't even have vehicle inspections!
     
  11. Johnny1290
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    x2 what denise said. California has no state inspection, just smog for cars newer than 76 or so. I always forget the year. Texas inspects for the basics.

    I'm planning on driving cross country this November and don't have wipers or turn signals or whatnot, I'm banking on getting a pass since I have california plates and I'm just visiting other states.

    I'm sure they *could* ticket me for something if I got a real d-bag cop. Police are really fair to old car owners in california, hopefully other places will be too. I'm only mildly concerned.

    If I stayed over a certain number of days, depending on the state I'd theoretically have to get their driver's license and register/tag the car and make it comply with their particular laws.

    In practice I drove in California with Texas plates and driver's license for 3 years before I got busted.

    EDIT: Once I found someone that knew the system, it was easy to get a title on a field car. I just had to have someone certified record the VIN, which consisted of me popping the hood and reading the VIN number to her so she didn't get dirty. I think I had to write a statement of facts too.

    If your car doesn't *have* a vin, that's a whole other kettle of fish I would not want to deal with.
     
  12. EnglishBob
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    And this is why there maybe should be some rules.
    The ruler of England is the Queen.
     
  13. Francisco Plumbero
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    The ruler of Canada and Australia and all commonwealths is the Queen as well, correct?
     
  14. Aussie osborne
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    well i'll be buggered!

    I seriously doubt that the good ol U.S of A is going do do a study of a pimple on the globes rules for hotrods and say '' hell boys, we should adopt that!''

    Despite our rules and regulations we have not been regulated off the roads not forbidden to enjoy the hobby. At the end of the day, how can it be a bad thing to be made to bulid within a perameter of safety? My life and my passengers is on the line. When some kid comes flying around the corner at me, i know that his rod has been built to an apporved safety standard for brakes and steering etc, and that it aint no home made tack welded bent up and heated death trap. Come on guys, you post all the pics of US made death traps, you know what i am talking about. Its not funny to be building cars that can kill innocent people.

    so delete the thread
     
  15. Hackerbilt
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    I think you just hit the nail on the head.
    To form the sentence...At the end of the day, how can it be a bad thing to be made to bulid within a perameter of safety?...you had to use the word "MADE".
    Therein lies the problem.
     
  16. Francisco Plumbero
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    At the end of the day it's usually not equipment failure but beer or smoke that makes that kid coming at you so dangerous, besides, we have potholes here that would disable an M1A2 tank, most guys won't make the end of the road around here if they monkey build.
     
  17. Not so alarming the word 'made' as the idea of who defines what is 'safe'. ;)
     
  18. Insurance acuators, greedy lawyers, and polititians looking for a political football have not yet aligned to create a new opportunity to make money and extinct an american artform. Fortune may be on our side: Millions of pre 48 rods driven and very few incidents. That ought to keep the insurance folks satified for a while longer. As Gator noted, Southern states have freer regulations on registrations and inspectins due to great pot-hole-free roads and nice weather. Emissions are subject to modern cars usually post 76 in the states. Grandfather clause seems to allow us our hobby without too many restrictions. Thank goodness!
     
  19. Aussie osborne
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    I am sorry i started this. I only wanted to know if you guys had a set of guidelines or did it your own way.

    I guess i found out. In a nutshell, while many of you build well engineered and safe cars you also value the freedom to ''weld together any old scrap you have lying around and endanger everyone else on the road with it''.

    I get it. You dont have and dont want no rules!!!
     
  20. Johnny1290
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    Well put! The *last* thing we need is more regulation to fix a 'problem' that doesn't exist.

    In the last 30 years I've been hit by plenty of illegals and druggies, but not one hotrod or classic car.
     
  21. choptop4
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    welcome to America.Land of the free,Home of the brave.
    I was down there last year with friends in Mosman.We were driving in his 64 mustang.I had my arm resting on the door.I almost got a ticket for that!My friend was telling me all the rules of the road.WOW.I was thinking about shipping my car there for a long holiday.I have to see what that takes.Cheers
     
  22. Pir8Darryl
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    We are a free and independent people. We enjoy doing what we want, when we want, and how we want to do it.

    Funny how that attitude made us the greatest nation on earth... But recently, with the introduction of legislation and rules to limit our freedoms, America is less and less great.......

    Wonder if there's a connection? :rolleyes:
     
  23. Retro Jim
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    Every sate has different laws to go by . In Pa. to have a street rod tag you have to go through an
    Enhanced Inspection " then the regular yearly inspection . They look the car over to make sure it's built properly and everything is safe .
    What a lot of us do is leave the car stock then get an Antique tag for it . Then we go and cut it up and build into a hot rod . As long as you play it safe and don't tear the roads up , you can get away with it . But of course if you piss off the right cop at the right time they can cause you a bunch of grief !

    Where you live seems to be really tough on the hot rodder .

    Retro Jim
     
  24. GREASER815
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    Around here we just build whatever we want to and see what happens. Ususllay get by with whatever.
     
  25. LIL.TIMMYUser Name
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    the point of my tongue in cheek comments is that you can't idiot-proof the world. most overseas hambers no doubt have the skills & smarts to build a safe car without some government drone second guessing every modification. when the government casts a wide net, they catch some idiots, but also many others that DO know what they're doing. it's classic "nanny-state" thinking. as far as the king/queen comments, I'm constantly telling my buddy from swindon that it's all Queens over there:p the sun sets on the english empire @ 5:30 these days:rolleyes:
     
  26. Thirtycoup
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  27. Von Rigg Fink
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    No..and we dont need any more

    "Badges..we aint got no badges...we dont need no stinking badges"

    rules are...no politics, no drama? , yet this one still plays on?

    So Lets get back to Building them, Driving them and Enjoying them while we still can

    this thread sucks
     
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  28. toddc
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    Hey Aussie,

    This is the internet mate. You'll always get some bullshit responses. But there are some very good replies in this lot too. Take the good with the bad. Personally I think our rules are too tight, and FAR too fucking expensive. But I have to admit that its better than having none.
     
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