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History Drag cars in motion.......picture thread.

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Royalshifter, Dec 12, 2007.

  1. RichFox
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    I use a 3/4 belt to drive the oil and fuel pumps. Never had any trouble. Mine runs 3 miles at a time, but at around 5000 rpm. If I was just driving the fuel pump I would be using a 1/2 inch belt.
     

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  2. 296, The first car in this GreenValley shot needing ID..It could possibly be Wick Hefners injected "B" dragster..I'm not sure tho
     
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    Thanks!...I'll tag it as a maybe...if anyone would know, you would, so thanks for filling in this Texas information.
     
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    The original "Bad News Coupe," run by Bruce McDowell, here at Pomona. This one crashed, and the engine went into a dragster driven by Bob Sidebotham....Bruce McDowell had the original Hawkins & Webster "15oz coupe" before Les bought it from him -- later Hawkins & Webster built another "Bad News Coupe," and another followed...unfortunately led to a fatal accident at OCIR.........but this one was the first. From the George Klass collection, as is the next one.

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    Early Peters and Frank, before they called it the Freight Train...notice the blower feeding both sbc's...this picture was taken at Half Moon Bay, John Peters on left.

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    Jr Thompson racing Bones Balough, Riverside

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    Another shot of Jim Busby's twin Indy Ford with Hank Westmoreland driving (Hank passed away recently)

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    I liked this version best, before Al hacked the front of the cab off



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    M&R -- the original Fuller "Cigar car" before Bob Haines rolled it...was replaced by the chassis from the Champion Speed Shop blown Chevy car...this is a pretty old photo, notice the modified roadster in the background.
     
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  6. Back in '63 when we first started running Hilborns, no timing belt drives were available. Hilborn sold an SBC mount for a V belt off the water pump. Good to around 6000rpm. Trouble was, we were in the lights at 7200 to 7400. Stupid V belts cost me some races. In the end we were running over 7800 in the lights, and no trouble with the mag drive pump.
     
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  7. I watched Bruce build this one in his mom's La Puente garage. Started with a 6 carb Chrysler and a stock WB Model A frame. Bob Sidebothom shortened it to 86":eek:, and hooked Bruce up with Demar Ray. Bob drove, and the car ran mid nines at over 160. Demar's engine later went into a Sidebothom chassis owned by Bill Borchers, a high school friend of mine. The car's big shot was qualifying for T/F at the '64 March meet.

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  8. D.N.D.
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    In 64' when I was buying engine parts for my new gasser I bought the Hilborn front cover with the cam driven pump mount, and did not have to use the mag pump drive

    Also it was only 2" away from the gas tank for short fuel lines
     
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    002 (2)[2].JPG 003 (2)[1].JPG Pacific Raceway stories don't get any earlier than this.
     
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    Uh oh, it just hit me, I might be in trouble.
     
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  15. Bob Taylor's "Red Hoss" the early days.....the former Bobbie Bob\'s in house 1.jpg Langley "Scorpion 1" here still on carbs and gas....Bob won a lot of meet's with it.....
     
  16. Bob later put a blower on it and it still won meets....pretty sure still on gas.....Bobby can chime in...at Caddo..... bob\'s blower cado 1.jpg Bob\'s cado front  2.jpg
     
  17. Bob Taylor built this twin.....pretty sure the axle came from "the Hoss".....at Cedar Hill ? bob\'s twin front.jpg
     
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  18. Bob's twin at Benton, Ark.....??? bob\'stwin off line.jpg
     
  19. Bob's twin at the end at Tyler/Whitehouse???....Bobbie chime in as you can..... bob\'s twin at the end.jpg
     
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    I remember the Borchers car that Sidebotham drove, it was called the "Bad News Ghost" because this engine from the crashed coupe went in it...notice in the picture that the injector scoop is the same as it was on McDowell' Fiat...it ran strong at Bakersfield, as Dean noted, until eliminations, when the oil filter fell off on the run...picture from Don Ewald's site, caption says "1960," but I think this is actually later, maybe '62 or '63?

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  24. Stillrunner,,I am unaware if Bob is a member here on the HAMB,,,Last year at the geezer reunion,his health was not looking very good...guess we'll find out at this years meeting (at new location,,Horny Toad on 35 north of Denton ..Dec 12)
     
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  25. Bill Borchers was, lets say, "different". He was an excellent student that pretty much kept to himself in school. He had a few good friends that nicknamed him "Broach". After Bakersfield, Demar pulled his engine, and Bill parked the car in his mom's garage, and went off to travel the world. The car sat in his mom's garage and was slowly stripped of everything but the chassis and front end. When Bill's mom died, he needed a place to store the remains. Another of my high school buddies had bought a home next to my first house. Bill brought the frame and front end over and put it in Larry's side yard. It must have sat there for 5 years, or more. Larry tried, in vein, to get a hold of bill to come and get it. He never responded, and we figured he was dead, or on a real "bad trip". In another year, Larry discovered sand buggies. He tried once more to contact Bill, with no luck. So, you can guess what happened.:( The Sidebothom chassis became an SBC powered sand buggy. A couple years later, Bill showed up, out of the blue, and wanted his "race car". He was not happy. We have never seen Bill Borchers again.
     
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  26. ttwomotor
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    Don't have this Twin on TwoToGo - would be number 236. Can we get permission to use these photos?
     
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