I'm having issue with a spin on filter adapter for my 1954 331 Hemi. Last week I bought bought a Stanke adapter off Ebay . There made in Minnesota. So tonight I pulled off my original cannister filter and the factory aluminum spacer that is between it and the block and discovered my block has groves cut around the oil port holes that I see are not present in pics I have seen in say a 354 or 392. The issue I'm having is the adapter has grooves cut for a oring and that puts the ring in or to close to a groove in the block. The other issue is the adapter hits the factory plate between the bell housing and the block and so wpuld any filter if I could actually get the adapter on. I can likely grind the plate but I'm a but bummed I'll have to make or order a gasket and omit the Orings . I could maybe run the original spacer but I'll still need a new gasket and longer bolts then . Figured I'd pass this along as it is clearly not going to work as designed Anyone know why the factory block has these grooves or delt with one of these adapters that goes straight away from the block?
Technical - Chrysler 331 oil filter adapter holes | The H.A.M.B. (jalopyjournal.com)' I see here his block does not have grooves cut into it . I also have a plug were h has a hole that was his issue . I pulled this engine out of an original 1954 station wagon and I'm 99.5% certain the grooves around my holes are factory ????? ;(
I don't think this will even work if I had a gasket . There would be less than a 1/16 " of sealing surface due to two opposing grooves being a different size and if the gasket failed id loose oil pressure . I can't use longer bolts and the spacer as the Orings are to big for the face of the spacer due to the cut outs on one side and if I flip it then the gasket contact area is thin on the block to the spacer . The Oring cuts on the adapter make this unusable unless I had a solid spacer and at least a gasket . Anyone else have a block with grooves around the oil holes in the block ?
I got my adapter at Hot Heads for my 56 Desoto Hemi, great fit. I don't have a horse in the derby but I recommend dealing with Hot Heads. Can you return the adapter from the bay?
I wanted the filter going straight out and to be short. and Hot Heads did not have one like that. I'm sure one of there's would work just didn't know my header/exhaust yet. I don't know if I can return it or not. Another week or more of screwing around. Not seeing the gaskets anywere separately yet so I'll likely need to make them just to get the original housing back on. This would be a nice piece if my block was like apparently the newer ones are that had a flat boss to take orings. It's not Chinese crap. Might have to machine an adapter to adapt my adapter.
54 was a wierd year, with crossover parts used (long bell housing for example) The shop manual shows a 53 style filter housing, and my 54 had one like the 55... The O rings were for the 53 style, with no adaptor plate. The 55 style on my 54 had the plate, and paper gaskets between the mating surfaces. Don't use the O rings, even though there are provisions in the block and use the paper gaskets.
This is what the 54 shop manual shows. This isn't what was on my 54 haha. Note O-rings. 55 style didn't use them. 2nd pic is from the 55 manual, and what I have on my 54. ( my car is a late 54, I know from the color code, sea-breeze blue was a spring 54 exclusive color)
I was thinking similarly to Rich with a ~16# plate sandwiched but with O-Rings in both the block and the adapter ..... that's providing both grooves are in close alignment so there's enough space for the transfer ports.
I have the 55 style canister but the block is grooved for the 53 type housing and used a gasket . this is all factory as near as I can tell . I pulled the engine form a very origninal car myself . Obviously this adapter will not fit every hemi as advertised with out more adapters bolts and screwing around . If had it had had no O ring grooves it did not need in the adapter it would fit after a bunch of grinding on the transmission.
If I have to keep the adapter it is what ill have to do. I have a mill and all that but I was looking for a simple bolt on part that did not take a lot of work . I should have gone the hot heads route.
The original plan called for standard NYers to get the 2V engine, and the NYer Deluxe & Imperial to get the 4V engine.
Mine was off the road since '64, so likely original.... It had no o-rings, (but has the grooves in the block). Paper gasket between the block and plate, paper gasket between plate and filter housing. I haven't run it since putting it back together, but did spin up the oil pump, and don't have any leaks by doing it the way I found it. My universal engine gasket kit from Hotheads had O rings and 2 paper gaskets in the set.
After about a half a day of screwing around finding a piece of aluminum , cutting, drilling , going to get longer bolts , going to get some gasket material , grinding on the transmission I now am able to use the $80 Ebay adapter that if it didn't have stupid O Ring grooves would have worked in the first place on all 331, 354, 392 Hemis as advertised . I'm realizing now the filter might be a little close to the firewall and I should have got the angled forward or up Hotheads part to start with. I dont mind making parts but I hate it when something advertised to fit does not . Also the little return hole would not have been sealed by a O oring and would have leaked with this addapter. . Filled it with 10-30 and ran it for a half hour on the stand and no leaks. Now I need a cool intake and a transmission addapter for a GM manual. Im hoping to put this in a fenderless channeled 31 Model PU.
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