Ever been harrassed for not having a seat belt??

beleive it or not driving is a privledge, as stupid & square as that sounds it the truth.I use to say on the back of a NYstate drivers license that the privledge could be taken away from you if you trired to over throw the goverment!!!I couldn't make that up.So if you feel you "can't " be told what to do when driving either don't drive or drive without a license!! Are they taking away your freedom if there asking you to get a license?? NO!!
Society has laws, no big deal.Its what keeps us seperated from other lawless societys.I know you can stand there & preach about how people fought wars so we can be free but i don't think that some poor person sitting in a foxhole in europe in 1943 was thinkin he was going to die so people could chose between a seatbelt or there" personal" freedom.
Just go buy the law , life s not that tough.
JimV

 

Now I'm just noting. I've already said wearing belts is the thing to do. Those of us who ride are far more at risk if someone hits us than if we were in a mini van with 6 air bags and crush zones.

Where does your concern for your wallet end and my right to do something stupid begin?

I'm just curious.

 

I'm done with the O/T politics. If any of you lemmings want to debate this further, I'm available by PM or email.

As for cars - if you want to put seatbelts in, that's fine - there are plenty of kits. Be sure to reinforce the mounting points.

 

One more try.

Are there any shoulder belt options for my 54 Chevy without having to mount to the B piller?

 

Added rear shoulder harness to my 62 Newport...new rear shelf with holes for the speakers (gives it a factory look) and for the bolt where I attach the harness...children get to ride with daddy safely...when I am alone and want the "factory" or "vintage" look, I undo the harness and hide it under the rear bench...my 0.02
cheers
JD

 

My cousin died in a car accident a little over two years ago. The cause of death was ruled to be a result of getting tossed around in the car. He was the driver of the car and was not wearing his seatbelt. His passenger was wearing hers and she survived with minor cuts & bruises.

I'm not going to take one side or the other here -- its not my place to preach, but I have belts in my Model A. I have the car safety inspected every year by the NSRA and they require them to pass inspection.

I bought my belts here:
http://www.mustangsunlimited.com/keyword.asp?Keywords=seat+belt&x=16&y=11
$14.95 for nice black belts with aircraft style chrome buckles -- comes with all the mounting hardware too. These are the same belts that everyone else sells for $25-30 each.

 

This is a good example of takng responsibility for your actions. You guys were being flat out stupid and not paying attention to driving (like a good portion of people in present day) and you saw the result...faceplant. You took reponsibility, and started wearing a seatbelt, because you didnt want to meet a german made face re-organizer again. Some people can wear seatbelts or they can just change their driving habits. Pro-Choice for the win!

 

OK

Note to self: Don't discuss religion, politics or seat belt laws during family get-togethers.

Opinions are like asses...........everybody has one

 

At the crash scene.

 

I'm all for pro-choice, but it's my personal belief that you are a fawking moron for not wearing a seat belt in a closed car, and especially if you are not wearing it just because the government has mandated seatbelt laws.

Wearing a belt is about much more than just keeping you from being thrown from the car. It's all about the physics of deceleration. Your guts simply can not sustain the G-forces of a rapid deceleration induced by a car crash when you are not wearing a seat belt. Not to mention the damage to your body's exterior. The seat belt ensures that your body will stop in the same distance as the car. The distance in which the car stops, when hitting a brick wall for example, is the amount of crush zone, say one foot. If you aren't wearing a belt, the distance in which your body stops in the same crash, is perhaps one or two inches, the amount that the dash gives when you hit it. This, the deceleration is MAGNATUDES higher.

Look at this example from this seat belt physics site:

Force on Driver in Example Car Crash

For the car crash scenario where a car stops in 1 foot from a speed of 30 mi/hr, what is the force on the driver? Assume a 160 lb (mass = 5 slugs) driver.
If firmly held in non-stretching seatbelt harness: Stopping distance 1 ft.

• Deceleration = 967 ft/s2 = 294 m/s2 = 30 g's
• Force = 4813 lb = 21412 N = 2.4 tons

Non-stretching seatbelt


If not wearing seatbelt, stopping distance determined by nature of collision with windshield, steering column, etc. : stopping distance 0.2 ft.

• Deceleration = 4836 ft/s2 = 1474 m/s2 = 150 g's
• Force = 24068 lb = 107059 N = 12 tons!!

No seatbelt!


If seat belt harness stretches, increasing stopping distance by 50%: 1.5 ft.

• Deceleration = 645ft/s2 = 197 m/s2 = 20 g's
• Force = 3209 lb = 14274 N = 1.6 tons

Stretching seatbelt


These calculated numbers assume constant deceleration, and are therefore an estimate of the average force of impact.



Calculation of force on driver Non-stretching seatbelt Stretching seatbelt No seatbelt! Seatbelt and airbag Index

Work-energy principle HyperPhysics***** Mechanics Go Back






You may change any data value. Clicking outside the box will then initiate a calculation of the impact force and conversion of the data value to the other types of units. Discussion of car crash scenario

How does a seatbelt change the impact force on the driver?

Index

Work-energy principle

Car crash scenario HyperPhysics***** Mechanics Go Back



In a 30 mile per hour crash, the driver in the example without a seat belts sustains a 12 TON FORCE, or 150 G's. There is no way your heart, liver, kidneys, brain, etc will survive beyond a vegatative state, if at all. Thiry miles per hour... How much force do you think it takes to drive your rigid steering colum through your chest or your forehead? Do you think 12 tons at 30 mph would do it? If you click on the link to the site with this example, you can fill in the blanks to see what a higher speed crash would be like.

The debate of civil liberties, personal freedoms, lack of choice, etc is a completely seperate issue, for another forum. The decision not to wear a seatbelt in a closed car is nothing more than simple and absolute uneducated ignorance.

Pete

 

That is a Chief Engineer Scotty approved post! Stu

 

my car has one seat belt and its on the passenger side, its for my kid, have too keep him safe, here in los angeles it doesn't mater if your car came with belts or not, if you have someone under 18 in your car you need a seat belt for him or you'll get it from the cops!

 

Put a few seat belts in even if your car is legal without them. BE safe.

 

It would seem to me that if you were really interested in keeping your kid safe, you'd have a belt for yourself too, so that he will continue to have a dad to raise him in the event of a crash in you one belt car...

Pete

 

Was questioned once by tech inspector when registering my 57 Olds about 7 years ago. Have lapbelts, but want to put in shoulder straps next time I do a interior redo. My 34 has lap belts - 2 in front, 3 in rear. Plan on changing the two in front to 5 point belts, even though there is no way that this body mine will ever go thru the 8" hight windshield. Rarely carry anyone in rear, so they still will have lap belts only.

 

I've been calling you proponates of a nanny society Nancies for a long time... and doing it right here...

Preach it brother...

I really doubt that you read the Constitution. It seems that you missed the 9th ammendment. http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment09/
Go try again...

And I'd rather be a Macaque than an asshat.

 

the other thing they really need to do is make the shoulder belt adjustable for height... one size does not fit all..

 

Most decent new cars have adjustable shoulder belt attachment points. Your right there is nothing worse than the shoulder belt up across your damn neck.

Stu