Ever Had a Single Reservoir Master Fail?

Several, but that was before dual master cylinders were available.
I havn't had one since.

dave

 

Fail completely? No, have owned 13 1965-1966 mustangs and a few rods with single fruit jars, and had not a one ever go out on me that I hit anything. I have had them give warning and they start slowly sinking to the floor (like holding brakes at a light), but I always changed them before they completely went out.

 

Whether you like it or not all things will fail if you don’t tack care of um, and rarely if never will brakes go away with no warning.
I will also submit, if you can’t drive a car with only the E brake (to limp it home or to safety) or feel your loosing pedal, you have no business driving a car.
I voted YES, but IV never crashed because of them and I never will.

 

**** ya you go hackamottoson

 

I've never had a single line system fail. but then again I've always been in the habit of doing at least one complete vehicle safety check every year, brakes being first and formost. When I hear reports of lines failing (usually from rustiong through) it tells me that the owner isn't doing proper maintainance. If you buy an old car and don't do a complete brake inspection (and one every year thereafter) replacing everything that even looks su****ious, your only ASKING for trouble.

Best recent example I can think of is Hatch's '58 wagon that he bought from Donzie. he started checking the brake system when he got the car (it had been sitting for a few years) and before he was done he had replaced EVERY component in the entire system. It's too important to neglect, even for a year.

Frank

 

had a brake hose bust on a 65 buick sportwagon with a single reservoir system. the brake pedal went immediately to the floor. it resulted in me planting the front end of the buick right into the *** end of a mini van. not a good day....not a good day at all.....

 

The single on my 63 Plymouth failed just as I was turning into the burnout box. Glad it wasn't at the top end.

 

and I suppose you think driving your car on Telegraph Rd with a piece of string as a throttle was safe as well??? What about that gaping hole in the frame that you could stick your head through?? I suppose that wooden floorboard is the newest rage in automotive design at Boyds?? Give me a ****ing break. That car was offensive to the eyes and ears and was as unsafe as any car I have ever seen on the road and you know it. If it was such a great car and so reliable why didn't you keep it?

You certainly have ever right to "buildum" how you want And yes, so far you have not killed yourself or others but......doesn't mean it won't happen,

 

I built a 31 Desoto coupe with a fruit-jar Mustang single reservoir out of an old mustang, without rebuilding it BAD ON ME
When it failed, it was one of those sudden and dramatic failures, just as I was pulling up to the plate gl*** window at one of my customers shops.
I didn't even have time to fumble around for an emergency brake----I through the turbo 350 into reverse.----It stopped, and damn quick. Fortunately, it didn't break any parts, and the next stop I made was at a parts house for a double reservoir set-up.

 

Considering the front brakes do the majority of the work I'd love to see you stop going down a hill as someones kid runs out in front of you..actually no i wouldn't...never mind.

M

 

I was lucky enough to fail a Dual M/C while driving through town in college. Got the beast stopped using the e-brake combined with some hard downshiftin... slid it up behind a newer Vette at a stoplight, thankfully we didn't touch.

To this day I am not sure what happened, but after a parking lot M/C swap and quick bleed, life was good. Needless to say the girlfriend in the p***enger seat was not a good.....

 

No you are bragging, and it makes yo look like an ***

You built a pile of **** and came on here and bragged about it. And now you're doing it again. Why not want something better? Why not want something reasonably safe? Why not something that looks decent? Why not take you *** over to the OSR board with the rest of the hacks?

 

Actually you should heed your own advice... And Mai Ki Ki is right, it's simple physics, it may function adequately in certain situationsm but it will not in an emergency or sudden situation. The weigth transfer will cause the rear to unweight and you will have locked up rear brakes. Face it you built a ****ty Rat Rod. There is no debating it. And I don't know what kind of personal BS you got against Denise but this is definately not the place for it....

 

I hate to sound like a know-it-all (too late), but I replaced all the brake hardware on my '54, including new wheel cylinders. I will submit that when a rear wheel cylinder pops, there is no warning. The pedal goes down like normal...holds...then straight to the floor. No hydraulic brakes. And guess what, if it was a rear cylinder, you also are one rear drum down because it's covered with DOT3. I did everything to make that car stop, short of opening the door and dragging my foot.
Going through the posts, I'm not the only one who has lost a new wheel cylinder either.

I've learned a lot about people in this short post.

I guess I don't understand why people would intentionally keep a single system when duals have been around for 40 years, they aren't any more difficult to instal, aren't more than a few dollars more expensive, and they're safer.

-Brad

 

Dude you are so full of **** I can smell you all the way down here in North Carolina

But then I guess your ****ty little 2.8 couldn't get it going enough for a real stop.... You need to back the **** up and look at what you're doing. You're turning on those that helped and supported you when you were down and now you want to talk ****, and **** that you can't back up...

Do yourself a favor get depressed again and put the weight back on because your still a hack....

 

You are a might sensitive this morning, is it that time already? Well as tleast you're not pregnant. And I think what you took as a dig was actually a mothering instinct that can't be helped. Maybe a midol will help...

and here have the rest of the emoticons as well...

 

Brad,

Before I start I want you to know I ain't trying to start a fight.
I know of a few reasons to keep or build with a single master cylinder and I want to lay them out:

First, if you do anything to original that had one, one needs to go back in
if you are restoring the car. Single masters were used for over 60 years so
that is a lot of cars.

On a new build some people do like and want to use the old ones and I am sure not all the 40-48 Ford masters sold these days go to restorers only.

If the thing is going to be in plain view, and one of those new fangled duals
would ruin the "look" of the car, one would insist on a single.

Not everyone is scared to death of single master cylinders and really find it hard to understand why some people INSIST on having duals.
Why do people get so upset over these kind of things nowadays?
I think it is a generational thing that I can't and WON'T go into on the HAMB.
No politics.


regards,
Doug

 

You could have used Spirit spindles and the larger AMC brakes instead of the Hornet ones.... Hell the spirit spindles area bolt on for old Ramblers...

As for the "**** ugly GREMLIN", are you trying to say this one was uglier than every other **** ugly GREMLIN? If you wanted to mess with the Upper Crust you would have used a Pacer...

 

on my 56 Bel air the pedal went right to the floor and I had to pump like a madman to stop the car, finally resorting to the e-brake. the car was a ***** to stop without locking it up though.

 

I think you've crossed a line in your reply to Maikiki. If you've never been in the sittuation he created for you, you really have NO clue. I've been there, except that child wasn't a child, it was a freeway full of cars and tractor trailers. You ever been brave enough to run your car up a run away car ramp? No I wouldn't think you are. Let me tell you, it not only scares you but it hurts when you finally come to a stop and plow your face into the steering wheel.

Mai-kiki didn't accuse you of anything, he only created a scenario to make you realize that it's not safe. Instead you jump the gun and dish out insults? I love watching people. You can usually tell when they know they've done wrong because they become very defensive and hostile.

Oh and I hope that drunk driving comment wasn't a personal attack on Mai.

Brandy

 

Three single line systems have failed for me over the years. One was on my dads old Fury as I was backing out of the driveway. Another was on my 63 Failane. That was a failed rebuilt master. The fist one to suprise me though was a failed line in a '62 Galaxie. It was at a dealer. The salesman let me, a 16 year old at the time, go for a test drive. I was less than a block from the lot when the pedal went to the floor with a line of cars in front of me at a light. I used reverse. The salesman was pissed that I would do such a thing to "his" transmission. He wasn't listening to me that the brakes failed. I got out of the car and told him to drive it back. His manager was not happy with him when he got back.
Shuold have bought the car regaurdless. It was a 390, cruis-o-matic 2door hardtop with little rust and good upolstry. $600 was about the price, but in the mid '70s it was just a beater.

 

Drivers training is a farce these days and sadly? Women cause most of the accidents on the road. Personally tho? I maintain complete control of my vehicle at ANY given point. But **** happens. Keeping a suitable and safe amount of distance between you and the car ahead is important, but going downhill as Mai suggested without brakes means that YOU ARENT GUNNA KEEP THE DISTANCE! Gravity says you are going to pick up speed and without your brakes, you aren't going to slow down.

As for the slurpee/cell phone comment.........I trust that wasn't a cheap shot. I'm not Dirty T, I don't put my lipstick on while driving or rummage thru my purse that I stole from some gal in California.

Brandy

 

i was going down the back side of tahoe into Carson city and lost the brakes on the volvo beater i had (a rear brake line sheared!!! still dont know what happened to this day) i found out that you just slide a little bit more going into the corners and that will scrub off most of the excess speed...rally style!!!

i used to joke about my volvo being 7 tone brown, but i think it was 8 tone after that.

 

yeah slow failure, just kept addin' fluid. e-brake made for some fun though.
just topped off the fluid in my current fix-er-upper. darn things empty again and a wet spot on the floor. a new single for my '51 Binder is 200 bills.
anybody have guidelines for switching to a dual setup?
great poll.

 

BTTT.....

Hate bug jars. All they are is an accident waiting to happen. Had two of them fail and I was VERY lucky both times.....unfortunately the cars I was driving the ones I hit weren't.


-Bigchief.

 

Man i dont know what some of you guys problems is latley but some times people dont want to hear what you have to say. And you can only say the same damn things so many times untill some one gets sick of hearing your opinion that they didnt want. Gregs car was rusty it had a weird motor in it. used tires and a hole in the floor. But i know for a ****ing fact that those brakes worked perfect. Who knows how they would of reacted if a kid ran out into the road on a hill. Luckly we wont know. But for christ sake give the ****ing guy a break here. Two years ago you all were helping him get the weird motor for the peice of **** hack car. I remember eating cookies on the damn ride down. And now after he got it done on a low budget every one is pissed? What the ****. In a way this is all my fault cause i thought i would let you all know about how it ****s when a single line master fails. But god damn if you all didnt take it upon your selfs to turn it into a god damn drama post and **** slinging fest.

Theres more to ****ing hot rodding then cookies and ****ing hugs

 

I was the first person that hit the "don't hit me" poll ****on -

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ha

 

and if you go back and read those threads everyone was tryign to get him to hook up ALL the brakes, I believe freeparts were even offered....

 

MAN, is there something in the water around here or what? Seems like lots of people *****ing about some thing or some one. Give it a rest!

We all know Fat Hack put together a heap-o-****, even he said as much. Lots of you guys helped him do it, as I recall. He cut a lot of corners because he had to, and a few because, I guess, he wanted to. Nearly anyone that has been around hot rodding for any length of time has cut corners at one time or another, either because it was all we could afford, or it was all we wanted to take time to do, or because we didn't know any better. Sometimes those experances worked out OK, sometimes they didn't. It is the fear (or the actual) of the consiquences of what we do/did that establish what we feel is the minimume we will allow on our stuff. The car is one of the few places left that allow us to determine our own threshold of the consiquences we are willing to accept. We all have different levels of risk we are willing to accept. This tread is a good example of that. The problem occures when one or more of us have had an experance that did not work out very well feel it is their obligation to inform the m***es of the bad experance. That part is OK, but when the newly informed do not accept the different standard of risk level acceptance, those that had the bad experance get upset. Those that have not had a bad experance get upset because they feel the other group is trying to take away their rights. All we should do is inform everyone of our experances and them allow them to do what they decide.

Two things I have discovered by watching people, 1) The more earthly possesions we aquire the less amount of risk we are willing to accept. 2) as a person aquires more earthly possesions, those with less earthly possesions will accept less information as experance lessons and will view that information as a way to surpress them.

There is one thing I do not understand, mr Hack. Why are you now blasting all those that went out of their way to help you such a short time ago? Gene

 

"Anyway, without going into all the drama, I just wanted to run a little poll here to see how many HAMBers have had a single reservoir master cylinder system fail.
Thanks,
-Brad"

I thought that I would save a few bucks and rebuild a rusty, crusty, '41 Ford
master cyl. All new parts, a nice hone job, and it leaked like a sieve! Got a new one from Speedway and it works as advertised. Got all new wheel cylinders and lines as well. A dual master cylinder would be safer but I was using all original parts on a vintage ch***is. The hand brake works really well though! I made sure of that! Even Henry Ford resisted going from mechanical brakes, which he considered failure proof (yea right!), to the hydraulic system, which he didn't trust because of the leak factor.

pigpen

"And that's the way it was, movin' west." (Wagon Train)

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