i got my coupe on e-bay amongest all the usal e-mails and tire kickers, and people expecting a brizio car i get this e-mail from a guy in switzerland , most beautiful rod i have seen blah blah blah...wants to see better pics and info...all this is in that choppy english i smell a scammer i tell him if he wants to just ship it and im supposed to give a remander of money to his shipper he can fuck off if hes truly intrested in the car i would talk otherwise dont waste my time thanks to those on the hamb who have educate me on the art of e-bay scamming why cant anything be done about theese bottom feeders it appers to be a rampent problem hope i didnt piss off a true hot rodder anyway check out the pepto biz yugo thread....... its some funny shit.definatly worth the read if you havent seen it
Good move! Now that you were sCammed why don't you return the favor and sPam us. Give us a link of the auction.
Aaaah... So that's how you treat your fellow Euro hotrodders..! Too be serious... There are quite some carguys in Switzerland. He might be a real interested buyer... Lotsa rich guys down there too... LOL I have to admit that they can write some choppy English though, haha!! See what happens... I wanna import a car one day from the States. But I would pick it up myself... Not through the internet... Never...
[ QUOTE ] Good move! Now that you were sCammed why don't you return the favor and sPam us. Give us a link of the auction. [/ QUOTE ] I'll second that. Why shouldn't one of us own it? BTW if you pissed him off his skin wasn't think enough to be a real rodder.
Sounds to me like you are not very skilled in interpersonal skills. The whole point of eBay is that you are selling to a world audience. Unless you specifically stated in your auction that you will not sell overseas, there is no reason why this fellow from Switzerland shouldn't have written. You were quick to judge his intentions. If, as you went further along, there were red flags regarding payment arrangements, then you would have been right to call him on it. If I recieved an email in the tone you wrote to him, I would steer clear and never do business with you. You come across sounding like an unstable hothead. It seems that the frustration of selling your car is cutting short your ability to deal with people in a reasonable manner. Selling a car on eBay IS frustrating (I just did it), but it's akin to putting a forsale sign in the window and dealing with all the local yokels. Good luck and keep cool.
Yeah, I was thinking what the Dutchman said. You might want to wait to actually BE scammed befor you just go around accusing any forien buyer of doing so. But I can imagine all the crackpots you have to deal with on E-bay.
CHECK THIS OUT .. IT'S LONG BUT INFORMATIVE ! While the majority of people involved in the hobby of rodding are honest and well-intentioned people, there are some basic guidelines we would encourage you to use when buying or selling a car over a distance. It's not like buying a car from around the corner. In addition to basics, there are also some scams you should be aware of. We try to inform you of any shady dealings that we hear of but there are bound to be innovative crooks out there with something new at every turn in the road .. So the old addage . "If it sounds too good to be true .. It is" is a good rule of thumb. Also, if anyone wants you to give them money back when they buy your car or parts . One simple rule "DON"T" Let them work out whatever their problem is themselves . Now having said that . We will list a few of the scams we are aware of and give some links to places that may be of some help if you should choose to pursue it.. Transfer of Money when buying a car. Both buyers and sellers need to know that a "Cashiers Check" is not as good as cash. They can be stopped, they can be counterfeited, they can be forged or changed to reflect a different amount than purchased for. Unless you are very very confident of the person who is giving you a cashiers check then you need to think about whether you should accept one. You can no longer verify the validity of a cashiers check by calling the bank that issued it .. You will not know if it was real for several weeks. If accepting a cashiers check you should be careful to validate the identity of the person giving it to you .. It may be just fine but don't just accept a cashiers check at face value you could get stung. Wire transfers are the safest method of transfer that we know of, followed only by Western Union. In both of these instances, actual cash must be available before the transfer is made. You do need to be wary of giving out your banking information to people though. We have heard that some of these scam artists are now saying they will wire money to people and getting their banking numbers and somehow using the information to get money from the account. You should always check with your banking institution for advice on any type of transfer of funds or acceptance of checks. They are the experts . Not us. We would advise that you NEVER give this type of information out by email or to anyone who you cannot verify the identity of by phone, U.S. Mail, etc. Do not do business with anyone who you cannot talk to and get a physical location for .... if they are not willing to provide this information then they have something to hide. Transportation of Vehicles: If you hire a transport company to ship your car, we would recommend that you check their records thoroughly. We would recommend that you do not go with any company that has a non-refundable deposit or who will not give you a delivery date in writing. This includes the companies who advertise with us. We do not check the credentials of our advertisers, but we will refuse advertising and remove anyone who has had complaints lodged against them with us and who we feel have not "made it right" with our customers. We suggest that you check the Better Business Bureau in the town where the company is located and also check the Department of Transportation record for the company. Some companies change names frequently to avoid bad reports so beware of a company that is "new" as it may just have changed it's name. Get references . We think that personal references are a great way to check out these companies. This is the most common scam for people selling cars and/or other goods either on the internet or in newspapers They send a message like this .. Dear sir/Ma, I am an international business man, specialised in dealing,purchasing and selling of autos.I also help my foreign client to ship there auto to any place of there desired country or destination, most especially Europe cause i have a shipper who takes care of the shippment, so shipping will not pose any problem. Presently i have a client who has asked me to help him purchase an auto subjected above which will be shipped to africa . As i was browsing through the internet, i saw your advert and i will like to purchase it for my client, but before payment will be made i need to be sure of who i will be dealing with if you are going to be honest and sincere throughout the transaction.So to start with, signify your interest by forwarding to me your last offer as well as your method(s) of payment through the email, after which we can continue with the transaction and i promise if all conditions and agreement are accepted and reached on time, payment will be made out almost immediately.hoping to here from you as soon as possible. Respectfully, Charlton Heston....... FOLLOWED UP WITH . Thanks for your urgent response. My Client perffered mode of payment is a cashiers check in united states dollars well the price offer $2000 is okay by me but i will like you to include ($4500) this will covers my commission and the shipment fee bringing the total amount to $ 6500 which will be on your performa invoice. Be informed that I have spoken with my client as regards the price and he has agreed to make the payment , but before I give him the go ahead I want you to assure me of sending the balance ($4,500) to my shipper through WESTERN UNION MONEY TRANSFER immedaitely you recieve the payment from my client since the payment will be made to you directly via cashiers check drawn on U.S bank to enable me pay my shipping fees and arrange pick-up from your location. Inview of the above, I want you to give me your word of trust so that we can proceed with this transaction if you are okay with my conditions.if this is okay by u get back to me with your Full Name, Address and phone number which the check will be sent to. I await your urgent response. Respectfully, Charlton Heston Sometimes they say they are from another country . But not all of them are. This scam has been going on for a few years now but they continue to bilk people. Below are some links to places for more information and possible help Scam Links www.Fraud.org Nigerian Scam Alert Page www.ScamBusters.org Other Resources Dept of Transportation for info on specific Transport companies You can enter the Name or DOT number of any company in the left margin. Or Main Page Dept. of Transportation Buying a car over a distance is done all the time, and in most cases it works out fine but . (there's that "but") there are some common sense things you can do to keep your purchase from ending up poorly. There is no substitution for you PERSONALLY looking at and driving the car before you buy it. We know that this is not always possible but would advise that you have someone look at a car before you buy it. You can get an appraisal or inspection by a professional. You could have a friend or relative nearby go look at it. You could contact a club or organization in the area of the car and see if someone affiliated with them would look at the car for you. If you do decide to buy a car without anyone looking at it you should at least get very very good pictures and a video of the vehicle including sound with the engine running. But no matter how good the pictures or video there is no substitute for a personal inspection of some kind.
I got something similar from an ad I posted on the Fordbarn website. My ad was that I was wanting to trade my dual welled 30/31 Model A fenders for non-welled. Here's the first email I got from "Murphy" <font color="green"> Hello, my name in murphy i am located in ireland, iam an international buisness man specialize in purchase of (Hello, my name in murphy i am located in ireland, iam an international buisness man specialize in purchase of (4 1930-31 Ford 19" wheels, black ) so i will want you to tell me your last price and it present condition and also the pix, i use to buy and sell and i also have my own reputable shipper so i will taking care of the shipping arrangement, and also i will paying you by check so send the adress you want the check to be send to and the name you want the check to bear... i will be looking forward for your quick response Best regards..) so i will want you to tell me your last price and it present condition and also the pix, i use to buy and sell and i also have my own reputable shipper so i will taking care of the shipping arrangement, and also i will paying you by check so send the adress you want the check to be send to and the name you want the check to bear... i will be looking forward for your quick response Best regards... </font> So then I replied just outta curiosity and asked if he would be interested in buying my fenders for $400. THis is the response I got titled "PAYMENT & ARRANGEMENT": <font color="green"> Hello, Thanks for the mail, the price is okay by my client and i am ready to purchase from you immediately, i will offer you $7,500.00(U.S.DOLLARS) for the(1930/31 front fendersand i want you to delete the ad from the website, i have a reputable shipper in london that will take care of shipping from your end i want to let you know i have an associate in the state that is oweing me a sum of $11,500(U.S.DOLLARS) i will instruct him to issue you a certified cashier's cheque on my behalf and as soon as cheque arrives, you hold out your amount and send the difference to my shipper in london via western union for the pick up in your place and also i will like to see the recent picture of the(1930/31 front fenders, i hope i can trust you with my balance and also you will be contacting my shipper with all neccesary information needed for pick up in your place i.e the actual weight and exact dimension of the car. if this terms are okay by you, do get back to me with the following details like this :- Home Address... Full Name on cheque... State... Zipcode... Country... Telephone Number... Mobilephone number... Fax Number... Or your banks address and account number for you to have the payment in time, Do get back to me asap with this details for payment to be made out to you immediately. Waiting to hearing from you. Murphy.</font> $7500 for 2 fenders...uhh Red Flag...durrr! So let's get this straight, I get a bogus cashiers check from the "associate" for $11,500 and then immediately send the "shipper" $4000 of MY money, before I know the check is bogus. And he has the nerve to ask for my bank's adress and my account #. Someone needs to fuckin' dropkick Murphy! BEWARE!
The part of the first message on this thread that some of you seem to have missed said, "I'm supposed to give a remander of money to his shipper." Dave http://www.roadsters.com/
2 days ago I got this email sent to me. hello i am mr smith iam a business in the france i saw your advertisment and i am interrested in it i will like to purchasethis products of yours <'54 Plymouth Belvedere> which i do not know the price or the amount you are seelling it, and i will like you to tell me the price to the product bcos i am interested i buyingt it i am a dealer and i deal with goods like the products willlike to purchase from you i want your interest over this product if you will like to sell it to me also i will like to know my method of payment bcos i will like to pay you with a cheque and also i want u to know that i will take care of the shippment by our personal shipping agent company that will take care of the shippment.soi will be looking forward to ur responds asap. thanks regards smith...... I dont even have a add for the Plymouthg beign for sale. I do not plan on selling that thing any time soon. That was the 3rd email I have gotten regarding selling of the car since I joined this messae board.
So send the check you get from him to the other address and hope he cashes his own bad check. Bet the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. Ya never know. Might be more fun than watching the feds pee on their own shoes aiming for the urinal.
It seems that this kind of scam is running rampant all over the internet. Because my web site has "key" words in the description related to electronics; I get at least two "come on's" a week. They usually want to order large quantities of automotive electronics. Last week I got an email from Singapore wanting to buy 300 - MSD 6AL's ! Messages usually in very broken english. The finance and shipping arrangements were almost identical to the ones listed above! (they will send extra $$'s, I should send the extra $$'s to a shipping company .......,etc. etc, you can fill in the rest!) Tried to get a trace on the sender; but the message had been "filtered" through so many IP's, I drew a blank.
[ QUOTE ] The part of the first message on this thread that some of you seem to have missed said, "I'm supposed to give a remander of money to his shipper." Dave [/ QUOTE ] Actually Dave you misread, he said if he said that he would tell him to f#ck off. Maybe you should revisit the 1st post. I say see what the guy has to say. Make sure you protect yourself and if he can't deal with it then he's a scammer. I have sold plenty to people in europe and around the world. And I do have a fake cashiers check here that someone sent me. But don't count them out just because they're foreign.
No, I didn't misread it at all. I repeated the sentence that I did because several people had encouraged the seller to give the scammer customer the benefit of a doubt. Dave http://www.roadsters.com/
Ok... to help figure out a scammer from a non scammer, why don't you just ask the supposed buyer to supply TWO checks..??!! one for you(the seller) and one for the shipper..?? Just wait for your check to clear, then give the item and check #2 to the shipper... that way there isn't your personal cash being given away to the buyer's shipper... If that doesn't seem reasonable to the buyer, tough shit..!! and I'm pretty sure the 'if' in the first post is referring to the original email he recieved from the potential 'buyer'... hence a scammer.... ('if'='since'...it's not like he constructed easily readable sentences anyway...) People(in general) suck ass.....
Please dont assume all overseas buyers are scammers. Also please dont assume anyone whose first language is not english is a scammer. Most scams are pretty much automated and you can sort of see where your ad title has been cut n pasted in to the scam letter, along the lines of: Dear Sir, I am interested in your Mart's Ford Pop Project. blah blah blah. I got one the other day that even contained a warning about fraudulent cheques etc. The guy might be a scammer, but like I say, please dont assume any overseas, non english speaking people are automatically scam artists. Oh and also when they say they are Irish or British or whatever, they probably are not, they're more than likely Nigerian. Your overseas english speaking non scammer, Mart.
So anyway, 32 forget the scam and tell us about the coupe. Where's the link to it? How much? and Why don't we get fisrt wack at it? Just curious I might wanna kick a few tires.
I had a similar experience when I was trying to sell a 55 Desoto 4-door for a parts car. Had some serious inquiries from some people but the parts they needed weren't any good. Then one day I get an email in choppy english that this dude wanted to buy the whole car from me for my asking price, which was high because it wasn't a roller and I really didn't want to get the car ready for shipment. So I reply and tell him I still had the car and it was his if he sent me the $600 bones. Well he replies and says he will send me a check for $4600 bucks, and tells me to give the rest to the shipper. BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP My alarm goes off, this guy is trying to fuck me out of my money, or maybe he just thinks that this is how things work. So I reply and say that I refuse to pay the shipper when he comes to get the car, and then I ask him what kind of shipper will come to my house to pick up a car on speculation with no money down, and where is the car going for $4000 in shipping. He comes back with a please please this is the only way I can do it, and then says some shit like his friend ows him the money and is buying the car from him. So now I know he is a pretty much a scammer so I decide to fuck with him a bunch, becuase I had nothing else to do. So I am like, I will pay your shipper but only if you send two certified checks, one made out to me and one to the shipper. This must have made him mad becauser after about 10 emails I sent him in broken english and slang, so it would be hard to understand, he quit talking to me. Now I may not be no cityfied boy, but I can smell a rat and he finaly got the message... SCAMMERS GO FUCK YOUR SELVES Geno
[ QUOTE ] No, I didn't misread it at all. I repeated the sentence that I did because several people had encouraged the seller to give the scammer customer the benefit of a doubt. Dave [/ QUOTE ] Well Dave that's not what the first post said is it. I understand the frustration but this person has not revealed themself to be a scammer yet. So let's not be presumptious and give the alleged scammer a chance to show wether they are a true scammer or a hot rodder that lives overseas and isn't a native english speaker. It's easy enough to tell so lets not jump the gun. And lets not make shit up.
[ QUOTE ] Sounds to me like you are not very skilled in interpersonal skills. The whole point of eBay is that you are selling to a world audience. Unless you specifically stated in your auction that you will not sell overseas, there is no reason why this fellow from Switzerland shouldn't have written. You were quick to judge his intentions. If, as you went further along, there were red flags regarding payment arrangements, then you would have been right to call him on it. If I recieved an email in the tone you wrote to him, I would steer clear and never do business with you. You come across sounding like an unstable hothead. It seems that the frustration of selling your car is cutting short your ability to deal with people in a reasonable manner. Selling a car on eBay IS frustrating (I just did it), but it's akin to putting a forsale sign in the window and dealing with all the local yokels. Good luck and keep cool. [/ QUOTE ]but i said it in a nice way!!!!!!! you ever get a vibe this e-mail just smelled before i even opened it..i did tell him that if he was truely intrested in the car i would be happy to talk about it , but if he was a scammer to go away sorry about the no spam thing ...i didnt think you guys liked that stuff , besides youve seen it before, same pics even, i figured youd see it on e-bay anyway......i didnt offer it first on the hamb cause i cant offer it at a lower price i need to cash out so i can look for a house( trying to be an adult.it sucks!!) i figure a hamb guy could build it for less than i need to get for it... dont know how to do the link thing anyway
eric..you atre buying a house out there in california? i thought you wanted to move back to minnesota and build hot rods?
As soon as they begin with stories about a debt that still has to be paid to a 3rd person or they want you to pay the shipper with the extra money they send you can bet your bottom dollar its a scam.
well ........the guy never e-mailed me back.....scam! no what are you talking about? ....no nothing.... greg ,undecided which ever the way the wind blows when i get the money in my pocket i guess???
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