Hot Rods F1 F100 Hub?

Can someone tell me if this is F1 or F100?

Thanks.

 

i believe by the offset it is F-1

 

Thanks. I was hoping for F100.

 

Ok....another question regarding hubs.
Forgive my ignorance here.

I know to get self energizing brakes it's Lincoln 12" or F1/F100 11" and you need the hubs to go with all of this.

There is I'm sure a very easy answer otherwise everyone would be doing this,
my question:
Why can you not use the later car hubs from the non energized brakes instead of the F1/F100 hubs. All of it use the 5 on 5 1/2 bolt pattern.

My thoughts why not......
the car hubs outer diameter is larger (but can they not be turned down) or is this an issue?

the mounting flange for the drum hole is also larger than F1/F100 (again can't the car hub flange be turned down to fit the F1/F100 hole)?

 

Anyone?

 

I might have a pair of F100 hubs in the shop that could be bought cheap. I will look at them tomorrow to see if the hubs are ofset like yours or not. Only thing I am not sure about is shipping to Canada and how to do it.

Don

 

Thanks Don, I appreciate that.

The two differences I see in early car hub and F1/F100 are:
car hubs have a larger diameter overall.
car hubs have a larger mounting area for the drum hole than F1/F100.
F1/F100 hubs need the "bearing kit" and possibly some grinding on the inner bearing to fit the spindle. Car hubs do not.

I know I missing something here....otherwise everyone would be doing the car hub thing?

Shipping to Canada is like shipping anywhere except, where possible, ship only by USPS. All carries (UPS, FEDEX etc) charge me an additional brokerage fee.

 

Here are some pics of the hubs. You can visually see the differences in size and at the drum hole.

 

Ok, have I stumped everyone?

There is no answer for this type of conversion?

 

will the passenger hubs go on with the same bearing swap at the F1/F100 ???

 

There is also about 1/8" difference in the flange to backing plate distance.

The edge of the drum may need to turned a little to clear, depending on the drum itself.

This does not seem to me to be a worthwhile conversion, unless you already have a good set of F-1 drums and can do the machine work yourself.

Another possibility, you could probably also use Bronco drums instead of F-1 drums, depending on your wheels, most people would not notice the difference.

If you have to buy new reproduction F-1 drums, you could probably buy a set of F-100 hubs and new F-100 drums for less money. Could also sell your '40 hubs and be even further ahead.

 

Just looked at a '40 front hub and it does not appear to be enough metal to turn the drum register to the smaller diameter. Maybe turn a scrap hub and then
cut it to see if enough is left. In the process of doing that with some rear hubs
for a different project

 

Thanks 36-3window.
I have aftermarket spindles (round type) and was not expecting any issues with bearings. I would think stock bearings for the hubs would fit the spindles w/o any mods.

Thanks Rick B.
I guess it will be easier just to get F100 hubs as I have to purchase new drums anyway.

At least I now know the reasons why it wasn't done now or back then.

The drum hub hole would have to be enlarged and possibly the rear drum outer back surface would possibly need trimming.

Have I missed anything else?

I had originally intended to run disc brakes but I'm wanting to run either my steelies or '35 wires and the wires have clearance issues with the disc setup.

 

Rich B
I was thinking of opening the drum centre to match the '40 hub?

 

Oh yes, forgot about trimming the outer surface of the '40 hub.

 

Also, just so I'm clear on the combo needed.
The F1 and F100 backing plates are the same and the F1's can be used with the F100 hubs?

 

'48-'56 use the same backing plates.

 

Thanks Rich B.

I went fishing late last week for local parts and tonight I scored a complete '56 F100 front end from a local fellow street rodding his '56.
So, the hubs are no longer an issue other than checking the races and were needed buying new bearings/races. I know I need the 09067 inner bearings.
The drums look to be in very good condition and has pretty nice shoes.
I freshen everything up for the install.

Thanks for everyones help. I sure appreciate it.

 

09067 is the outer bearing, it's the same for both early Ford and F series.

14116 is the inner bearing you need to put the F series hubs on the early spindles.

 

Woops...thanks Rich B. I misread the bearings...you're correct.