Fastest way to determine cubic inches:

One more thought and i'll back off for a while:

Forget about even the strip for a moment:

Let's say you are out cruising with your favorite ride---you happen to like racing on the street. i know you don't, but let's just say you do for discussion's sake.

You pull up to a red light, some other guy/gal with a hot car pulls up next to you. You don't know what s/he' got and s/he doesn't know what you got under the hood. This other person, like you, likes to race on the street.

Pretty soon after a prescribed distance one car beat the other. One car may have had some advantage over the other.

Now, what the heck is really wrong with that premise?

i base my proposals on that premise. Is the world going to end if one car is indeed faster than the other? (i don't see how you can have a winner or loser in a race unless this is so)

 

There is no semblance of a level playing field just by weight of the vehicle.
What would you do with a 600 lb bike and a 3500 lb car paired up.
How about two model A coupes, one is about 250 lbs heavier.

Fastest cars do win but that is directly related to guy with the most money wins.

 

Well than why have any rules at all? You started out wanting to measure engine displacement quickly for some reason. Now since it appears that is not possible why not just forget any kind of cl***ification?

 

Looks to me like you've taken the long way around and ended up with test & tune night grudge races. It's already been done. Just pick someone to run and do it.

 

jmo, run what you brung was a long time ago. things are run more fair now and that shows how well prepaired your car is rather than how much brute force you can afford. the P&G tester is very accurate when used right for displacment, the whistler is even better for compression ratio BUT, this depends on knowing exactly what the displacment is beforehand. now, using the wistler only and knowing what compression ratio is realistic with the fuel available you can make a fairly good gestimate if the displacment is what it should be. this comes from many years experiance as a tech guy and also building many race engines. coments welcome btw, I own both testers

 

No, not a one time deal. i'm trying to come up with something better for racing. Something that will improve society as a whole. (hey, a boy can wish can't he? There's no harm in that?)

Again, a 265 would probably get weeded out pretty quick in this type of racing. Even with brackets who still runs a 265? If a guy IS fortunate to afford a new 572 AND make a house payment then good for him. If a guy can't, then too bad. What is wrong with that? And there's nothing that says 4-5 guys can't team up and buy a 572 together.......

We can extrapolate and say should a "lesser" woman in the cans department complain to the Hurst corporation that she should be given the same consideration and exposure and it isn't fair that Linda gets all the spotlight? What's wrong with having big cans/engine?

i also align the bracket racing/"unfair" mentality with the university admissions quotas limiting certain "ethnic" groups based on superior academic performance. Also very wrong.

Preliminary rules proposal:

1) Full bodied cars only. Any year, make etc. No funnies.
a) Any frame acceptable, any frame modifications acceptable; Narrowed rear suspensions allowed.
b) Slicks allowed; Any size permitted.
c) Must having working doors, fenders, hood. Fibergl*** allowed for all/any parts.

2) Engine
One automotive reciprocating engine permitted. Any size permitted.
a) No superchargers or nitrous permitted.
b) Carburetion only allowed (because it's cheap and makes for a more level playing field because everyone has to work with the same kind of thing). Any number of carbs permitted. Possibly proposing no mechanical or electronic fuel injection.

3) Handicap starts given on basis of weight:

A one second head start will be given per 1000lbs of weight. If less than 1000 lbs, the appropriate reduced amount will be given. I.e., 500 lbs=.5 seconds. 800lbs = .8 seconds etc.

So, with these proposals, some may look at it as woefully "unfair." But i look at it as instant fun----AND educational; With bracket racing, my aim was to make the car as repeatable as possible. But with this, the aim is to try to go as fast as possible.

i don't see the problem with it.

 

So you are going to give the same handicap for a 3300 Lb car that makes 300 HP as a 3300 Lb car that makes 700 HP? yeah, that'll work

 

You forgot the electronics, and it makes it boring as hell to watch.
nothing worse than seeing a driver turned around backwards looking for the the other guy while Standing on the brake pedal

 

Why then complain about one car being lighter than the other? If you can't afford a light weight car that's your problem I think you should separate the cl***es by either Big blocks or Small blocks. B cl*** for big blocks without regard to weight. S cl*** for small blocks, same deal. Then you could call it the BS racing series

 

Dude, I think I know what you're trying to get at. But, a handicap system based on weight alone? Like it or not, that'll end up a cubic $ pissin' contest. In an identical car, which weighs more, a 400hp sbc, or an 800hp sbc? Get it now?

 

isn't it run what ya brung and hope you brung enough?

This guy don't measure no stinking cubes! (he may need an ***istant to tie his shoes however)

 

If you did really understand this ^^^^^^^

You couldn't have come up with this next post.

 

I'm all for heads up, run what you brung racing, but I really think you need to rethink this. There's no place for the guy with the street car... no place for the guy that doesn't have the deep pockets. They are the guys that will come to the track loyally, not ***** too much, have some fun and hope to win once in a while... not get eliminated first round every time. They are the gr***roots of drag racing.

You'll never get any 250 cars through the gate every weekend with that formula.

 

Yes, and if you can't make more power than the other car and get it hooked up then you don't deserve to win. And maybe you'll keep trying--(face it--for a real car guy, that's m***ively fun) or park it. Anyone serious probably isn't going to be poking around with a 300hp mill anyways.

More extrapolation: You know, i've gotten really lucky at parties with the girls, but there are some stretches where it's like i'm invisible. I usually lay off/stop going to parties/socializing etc. for a while and do what i need to do to "get back in the game." If you don't have what it takes to get the girls, then you probably don't "deserve" them. Man, it's life. It's compe***ion Same thing should apply at the track.


i guess what we could do is have first round loser races, 2nd round loser races etc. for trophies or much reduced prize money---like you get your entry fee back or something.

Or have automatic entry in brackets no extra charge. So, have a bracket race as well, time permitting.

 

My thoughts on two different power level engines in identical weight cars:

If you really can make 800hp from a sbc then great! Good for you! If you can't, then isn't the fun of rodding trying to get as much power as possible and go as fast as possible? That's exciting to me.

i think there will plenty of opportunities to win over cars even if you're not the fastest that particular night. i mean, that's fun.

i've never won a bracket race. i've only made it past 1st round a few times. But i never gave up. It's still fun (although not nearly as fun as no-breakout would be).

 

One more thing:

Why is the guy who has the most (or is willing to put it in the car) wins, such a bad thing?

 

Measure displacement during initial tech inspection, seal engine, if seal is broken, repeat step 1?

 

300 Lb pro wrestler and a 300 lb midget get into a bar fight- who's going to win.
Well you say, the midget would be stupid to engage, right?

You want racers don't you ?

 

Here, you forgot to put this ($$$) after the word 'most' in your post. And it's not a bad thing, but it's the thing that ruins gr***roots type racing every time. Which I thought you were trying to attempt. My bad.

Good luck on your racing venture.

 

Anyone who goes to the races and thinks it's ok to go out first round every week isn't much of a racer. Back in the good old days of cl*** racing (kinda kin to what you're talking about) around here, when a car dominated a cl*** every week lots of folks started going fishing instead of racing.

 

do you really look like your avatar?