fiberglass resin effects?

All good info, what I would add is that while we always show concern for what we breathe we seldom think about the toxins that we absorb through our eyes. The fluid in our eyes quickly and efficiently absorb any airborne contaminants and carries them into the bloodstream even faster than through the lungs. This is especially true for isocyanates. After learning this fact I upgraded all my respirators to full-face and got rid of the mouth-nose models.

 

I thought of that one, i got a good set of goggles from uvex to wear with my respirator. was just being dumb and didn't walk back to the house to get the thing,

 

Here is a link to more info about ISO's,
Don't mess with your health,
A cartrdge mask isn't enough.

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=8558

 

I messed with fibergl*** for the first time this summer. Even doing the majority of the work outdoors or with the garage door open, AND with a 3M cartridge mask, that **** still made me lightheaded and nauseous.
As handy as fibergl*** can be, I'll try to steer clear of it in the future... and invest in a better mask.
Hope you continue to improve!

 

thanks, I was told that my activated charcoal cartridges were supposed to be ok for isocyanites, i'll have to double check, I think they have a time limit you have to adhere to. I know at work before we shut down, osha came in and said everything had to be changed to supplied air. this is the best quote off of that site, and I think everyone has been guilty of this one. I can't even count how many times i've rattle canned something without a mask.

 

I was getting a rash on my hands evrytime I screwed with fibergl***, thinking for years I had some reaction from it but it went away.

Then I got a rash that just wouldn't go away, this **** was going up my arm, then to my chest so finally went to a doctor.

Wasn't the fibergl*** at all, here I'm allergic to the ****ing Latex gloves I was wearing to keep my hands clean.

Whoda thunk it ?

 

get some of the nitrile ones, if you buy them in a box they are close to the same price as latex, they also don't dissolve in solvents like latex. the nitile are usually the blue ones

 

I read something somewhere that says that HEPA filter cartridges will remove 99% of the "bad stuff", and that activated charcoal doesn't do much for removing isocyanites. Your best protection is a full face fresh air mask

 

Is there a resin that doesn't have isocyanites in it? I read an article in a recent hot rod mag about fiber gl*** repair and they state that poly resin was the best because it would adhere to just about any other gl***, But not the other way around. Sorry I don't have the article handy and I don't remember what the other resins where that they were talking about.
Guess I better get a good respirator as I have some fiber gl*** work that I have to do on my bucket body, like gl*** in the floor and the wood stiffeners.

 

Latex gloves wont stop exposure to iso. I don't think nitrile will either. You need gloves made from butyl or poly vinyl alcohol.

 

More good info.
http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/autobody/docs/techbjul94.html

 

Glad to hear you are doing better.

For those old enough to remember the Union Carbide incident in Bhopal India in 1984, that was methyl isocyanate that killed (>2000) all and maimed (>200,000) all of those people. Yes the press dumbed it down and called it cyanide.

Isocyanates are dangerous, really dangerous. Seek alternative products if you can.

Always wear your safety gear.

 

hope your doing better! thanks for the info, did some fibergl*** a few weeks ago and had no clue about this!

 

i recall that incident


by the way, dont iso's derive from cyanide?

 

FWIW, I just bought some nitrile gloves at Harbor Freight and they are very sturdy and fit well. I've been looking for good ones for a while, online and elsewhere comercially and I really like these. I hope I can get the same kind next time I'm there.

 

When I was in uncle sam's canoe club I was an aviation hydraulics mate, we had one young fella that kept having vision problems after he would do a patch test on the aircraft's hyd. systems....turned out he was wearing contacts during the test and the semi-permiable lenses would absorb just enough of the liquid freon fumes to make him ill.
This was in an open hanger bay of course not an enviromently filtered area, late 70's early 80's, anyway the lenses a grabbed the fumes and the eyes were affected.
It was googles and mask after that!
Glad to hear you are doing better

 

No, the name isocyanate describes a group of atoms, an Oxygen atom double bonded to a Carbon atom, double bonded to a Nitrogen atom, with the Nitrogen atom having one open bond, making it reactive.

Mix this solution with other fun stuff like Ammonia gas, Chlorine gas, etc. and you get pesticides, polyurethane, adhesives, dead poor people in India, etc.

Scarier living through chemistry.

 

This topic has come up before, and is one that I think is so important, it needs more exposure...lots of us do work in our garages with paint and resins that are, well, poison! I posted this a while ago about painting in garages, and the same thing can apply to resins or any other toxic materials that "out gas" or evaporate, or become airborne...Most say right on the can-FOR APPLICATION BY TRAINED PROFESSIONALS, or something to that effect. There a reason for this...

I only say this from 30+ years of painting cars in everything from driveways, to garages, to downdraft booths...safety first!!...this is something that gets a once over, "wear a respirator with new filters..."...good advice, but if you're doing this in an environment that does not have enough CFM of fresh clean air introduced into it, a respirator will only work so well for so long, then you are in an atmosphere FULL of evaporating solvents, and airborne paint solids, and catalyzed nasty chemicals that can KILL YOU GRAVEYARD DEAD!... not to mention the risk of explosion from room full of solvent vapors...that being said, my suggestion is to rent a spray booth if possible, but you MUST at least wear a respirator, preferably a full face, forced air unit that covers the eyes, with pristine clean air coming from a protected source that will not be contaminated with paint fumes (found this out the hard way, stupid me...) Catalyzed paint, isocyanates and other nasty chemicals enter your body through your lungs, yes, but THROUGH THE EYES AND SKIN, ALSO! Aside from fresh air, you need to wear a paint suit, taped at the wrists and maybe ankles, and gloves, and a head sock,...
TREAT SPRAYING PAINT AS YOU WOULD SPRAYING ANY POISON, because that's what it is, damage caused by misuse of automotive refinishing chemicals cannot be "fixed" with a trip to the doctor once the damage is done, well...Just my 2 cents worth

Don't mean to be a "spoil sport", but I think everyone should have all the facts before deciding how much to get involved with using any of these these chemicals, resins or paints..

Eric

 

good advice, I do feel a lot better, got called to the plant today to help with major cleanup, Overseas clients are coming, and a contract will save the company, but getting out and doing physical labor seems to have helped, maby it helped move the chemicals out of my system, had a bad headache still until about 1 this afternoon. I just hope what I went through will help remind others to not take shortcuts.

 

does anyone know about using the HEPA filters with organic vapor cartridges? this is an interesting test, apparently they removed 99 percent of the isocyanites when used with the HEPA filter, I ***ume they mean a special prefilter? the main problem with cartridges is they have a limited life. I know you test with Banana oil , if the cartridge has reached the end of it's life does it allow you to smell the banana oil? here's the test data http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/isocyanates/mdi/mdi.html

 

Fixin' Fibergl*** in Jan.2010 Street Rodder refers to ISO resin as the desired resin (Isophthalic) with a saftey warning for use

 

I used the Bondo repair kit with the can of resin, they changed the can from what it used to be so they may have changed the formula. They were out of the regular nappa brand I normally use, so I had to go to walmart. It's good resin, but I don't know whats changed in it now, I did notice it was slower to cure then it used to be, even with the same amount of hardener

 

interesting stuff, thanks for the answer

 

You're welcome. I know all sorts of stuff about the terrifying array of chemicals that make our modern lives possible. Trust me, you don't want to know. Now, if there were just some way of safely, selectively deleting memories. That would help me on so many levels.

 

Gimpy,

You may know if this is right or not.

I think I read that alcohol will neutralize isocyanates so if you spill it or get it on your tools cleaning with alcohol is the best bet. Do you know if that's right?

I'll see if I can find the page that I read that on. I may have saved it.

 

I know total prep dissolves it, it ate right through the base protecting the dash I was molding it off of, ate through the duct tape and everything, wiped right off of the vinyl dash with total prep, even the gooey stuff

 

I will have to look it up, but I am pretty sure that most of the commonly available alcohols wont do it. You might just be wiping it around.

I think you will need a non-ionic (no charge, can bond with the Nitrogen) surfactant. There are not too many of those running 'round out there. Some of them are estrogen mimics, or are cyto-toxins.

It just keeps gettin' worse the farther you look....

Why not just go iso free?

 

Here is a link to the page I thought I saved it but it took me a few minutes to find it. It has some good information.


http://www.shape.bc.ca/resources/pdf/Isocyanates.pdf

 

That would for sure be the best solution but is there such a thing as a decent high build blockable primer that's iso free? If there is please let me know, I've looked and haven't been able to find one.

 

Thanks,
I saved this for future reference,