Flames w/ crossed tips & licks question

As long as ther have been flames the painter has been doing them however suited him best. No one really cared what kind of flames you did it was or is all a matter of personal taste.

It never became an issue until we (being you young guys) became traditional rodders. Most of what gets done is trying to match a personal style of a specific builder or painter and well whatever smoke we (being us older guys) can blow up your ***.

I say **** it paint it the way you want if someone doesn't like it tell him/her that there are probably a hundred or so flammed cars within a mile or so of here and to go look somewhere else.

 

This is another Vette that Watson did.(or is it the same one that Steves32 posted?)



I think I ripped these pics off from Rikster's stash. I can't remember.

 

Real fire is the devil!!!! I have someone who wants me to do real smoke for them. So I guess I'm going to use real fire templates and do them in silver and gunmetal and smoke colors. Lord help me!!!

 

OK, I'll throw in two more types:

"Ohio Style" These are the sleek long skinny flames made famous (at least recently) by Bobby Alloway. Very cool looking.

"Tribal Flames" - kind of like crab claws with the back hook going the other way. Frankly, I can't stand these.

 

I believe the,"Ohio style" flames were started by Bill Roell and Wade Hughes and I agree with your ***essment of tribal flames.

 

What do "Ohio style flames" look like, pic?

I drew this stretch style in 1995 custom rodder.



My favorite flame job is the one on that '50's or '60's era black 40 Ford sedan. It was a pretty famous car, can't remember the owner. Cl***ic white to yellow then red. The car had nerf bars too, I recall.

 

I think you might be talking about Bob McCoys's '40

 

Me neither...I hate tattooing them too.
They are the stuff of monster trucks featuring "bad boy" and "fear this" stickers.

I never liked flames that ran back over the rear of the car, either...I deal with aesthetics everyday, and flow is king. Its very disruptive to take them over the rear quarters, IMO, ( though Watson is forgiven, because hes a painting deity! )they need to narrow, and taper smoothly...evenly.
Undershading them where they cross over is nice, and that bevel posted above looks good, too, actually, though its a more modern technique.
If the line weight is thinner, around the outside, and heavier where they cross, it helps to promote the crossing lick forward, as well, with the undershading/shadowing.
I also never liked seeing them reversed...anti-flow.
Contrast is king in the traditional flame.

 

Best flames of all time IMO

Yes...... thee best in my book.... besides mine.
Or Bob's.

 

Back in the early 70s a friend of mine sprayed clear through sooty smoke fron an acetylene flame on to the hood. That was real smoke and looked like it. Just a thought.

 

Thanks for the pic. Yea, that is the one. I always liked those small separate pieces of flame that came off the main flame.

 

UGLY!!!!!



haha no theyre called realistic flames popularized by mike levalley(sorry if i butchered the name) we had a car im my shop that he came out and put them on. and to tell you truth any bonehead with a stnciland an airbrush can do them. theyre extremely simpe to do even mike says so(the simple part)

 

Mike Lavelle sells DVD's to copy his work using stencils & an airbrush.
Not my cup o' tea.

Talk about selling out your style.
Some say he's the originator of real flames but I've also heard it was around on vans in the 70's.

 

..lavalles video is great,expensive,but worth the info.I dont think true flames are that easy at all to pull off.Anyone thats painted alot,even oil painting knows of the point of over working,where it becomes all mud,and beyond the point of no return.I thinks thats real evident with this style,its either really weak,or really overkill.very fine line in between.Even he says its all in the candys,and the amount sprayed after every color.As far as selling out his style,I give him props for at least laying out a good guidline for people,he knows hes gonna get ripped off,so why not try to educate people as to the way he does it.Ive seen a lot of people attempt flames like his and cant think of any other kind of flames that look as ****ty if they cant pull them off..

 

I've seen it done with a tack coat of clear and an acetylene torch. Thats about as real as it gets!!

 

Well let's see yours. Apparently social manners aren't high on your list of abilities so I won't bother to tell you to go **** yourself. You wouldn't understand why.


"Very artistic on the freehand "True Flames."

I wonder how some True Flames would look inside a regular flame job.

Not in the whole flame, rather at the tips and along the edges.

Maybe part of the fade process.... "

C9, I've seen it done and IMO it doesn't work. Anything that's 'organic' by design i.e., woodgraining, smoke, fire, water effects almost always need to be independant of other styles. I do have an idea for an art panel that involves a couple of organic effects combined, and I think it'll work for that reason. Someday soon...

 

Why didn't it ignite?


Kinda risky....

 

haha no theyre called realistic flames popularized by mike levalley(sorry if i butchered the name) we had a car im my shop that he came out and put them on. and to tell you truth any bonehead with a stnciland an airbrush can do them. theyre extremely simpe to do even mike says so(the simple part)[/QUOTE]

 

The "trufire" look is right up there with the pastel colors of the 90's. Can you say "dated" . It's just a flash in the pan,and is already over.

 

Who made the rules?

 

I was thinkin the same thing...

I disagree. Maybe not as much in print lately but still OK on the right subject. I do agree about the pastel ****. That shoulda been over before it started. While everyone's en***led to their taste and opinions the pastel era seemed to be dare motivated rather than based on any sense of taste or style.

Agreed. I think the story's a bit off. I do it on dried substrates so I can wash it off if I don't like it, or wash off any erratic edges and leave what I like. Again a good app for bikes or racers with parts that are easy to move. The soot needs to rise to look 'real' or compliment the art.


Man this thread's kinda fun. kustombuilder started one about freaked out paint work a while back. Love this ****...

 

The Rule Maker

 

Heres a style called, Pain in the ***!

 

I had a failure to communicate. What I meant was he sprayed clear on the hood and then blew the smoke on the tacky clear. Hey a senior moment Okay.

 

One of my favorites with the "primitive" style is this fantasy '40 ('39 Deluxe?) coupe in Robert Williams' "The Hot Rod Race". Note the roof flames!