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Flatz vs PPG 2060 - Help!

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by toykilla, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. toykilla
    Joined: Jan 13, 2007
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    toykilla
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    from TX

    OK. I went with the Hot Rod Flatz awhile back and I found that I sprayed it on too dry resulting in a "sandpaper" feel. So after a few months i bought more paint and gave it another go, this time some of the panels came out perfect and others are still coming out too "dry" no matter what i do. There are patchy areas of gloss and dry spots mixed together. Needless to say I am less than happy with what I had hoped would be a unique look. Per the advice of some members I gave it another go without the reducer. It sprayed much better but there are still some patchy areas.

    I am fed up with redos and want to know if PPG 2060 pre-flattened clear will solve my problems. I guess flat paint is hard to lay down even, but I never expected it to be impossible. How does the 2060 lay down? Just spray it on two wet coats and thats it? If I will get the same patchyness I have now I wont waste my time, but I really want to fix this mess I made.

    Please help!
     
  2. pimpin paint
    Joined: May 31, 2005
    Posts: 4,937

    pimpin paint
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    from so cal


    Hey,

    O.K., lets talk about two areas of automotive paint finishing:
    Paint Preparation And Paint Application.

    If the surface to be painted wasn't sanded and/or sealed uniformly
    to begin with, it will not dry to a uniform sheen.
    If the surface was sprayed without a uniform triggering pattern,
    the result will be a non uniform sheen. Those areas that were spray-
    ed with the gun closer to the surface will be glossier than those that
    were sprayed further away from the surface. The spraygun must
    always be at a uniform distance from the surface being sprayed or
    the results you described may result. This presupposes that correct
    reduction of the product, pressure, as measured at the spraygun,
    not the airline regulator, was used, and the shop tempture was well
    above the due point for several hours after the job was sprayed.
    I can't advise on flat clear coats as I haven't seen one hold up well
    enough to ever bother with them. Even the epoxy products I have
    sprayed over a dark base haven't held up as well as I'd hoped for the
    money.

    S****ey Devils C.C.
     
  3. VNTGE41
    Joined: Mar 4, 2007
    Posts: 739

    VNTGE41
    Member
    from l.a.

    i think maybe your air pressure was too high and you didnt keep the same distance from each panel with your gun
     
  4. SlowandLow63
    Joined: Sep 18, 2004
    Posts: 5,958

    SlowandLow63
    Member
    from Central NJ

    Unless your prep works was off, thats more of a painters error than a product error. Pimpin Paint has it set.
     
  5. toykilla
    Joined: Jan 13, 2007
    Posts: 16

    toykilla
    Member
    from TX

    Well reading through all of the various Hot Rod Flatz threads on this site it seems to be a common problem. I am pretty sure it is a painter error (me).

    I did find this in another thread and seems to be exactly what I am experiencing:

     
  6. Sam F.
    Joined: Mar 28, 2002
    Posts: 4,225

    Sam F.
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    ....i havent heard any good about that hotrodflatz,,,,(unless you belive the magazines of course...)
     
  7. Clark
    Joined: Jan 14, 2001
    Posts: 5,132

    Clark
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    I've never had a problem with the 2060. To me it sprays just like a regular clear. Now I do add about 10 percent extra reducer. Two wet coats and no streaking.
    Clark
     
  8. BigNick1959
    Joined: Oct 23, 2006
    Posts: 638

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    just shot a bike tank and fender with there Red Oxide and I thought it shot great!. You have to be sure to lay down a nice wet coat with out running it, but it layed down real nice. It has a good uniform semi-gloss finish, but the only pain is that it took 20 min. to flash between coats.
     
  9. David Totten
    Joined: Nov 21, 2005
    Posts: 248

    David Totten
    Member

    sounds like and inconsistant overlap problem to me. Its like mowing your yard if you dont overlap the mower the gr*** is higher in some areas. Make sure you are overlapping each p*** the same.Anywhere from 20 to 50 per cent depending how wet yu want it.
     
  10. TimDavis
    Joined: Sep 4, 2005
    Posts: 718

    TimDavis
    Member

    I've also read all the threads on Hot Rod Flatz - I just sprayed the chasis for my friends '30 roadster, it layed out great and flashed off a perfectly uniform level of flat/satin finish. I was pretty impressed. This is FL, with 90%+ humidity at around 85deg F temp.

    We are going to spray the body this weekend, I'll post some pics.

    I went un-reduced. It sprays about like any other single stage urethane to me.
     
  11. Harris
    Joined: Feb 15, 2007
    Posts: 863

    Harris
    Member

    Looking forward to seeing those pics!
     
  12. My experiance with 2060 Fle**ed and flat clear is that it best when used on the second or last coat of clear. Basically clear the vehicle using another Concept clear and then mix the 2060 with that clear for the last coat. By doing it this way the product works better and is more evenly layed out.

    2060 is designed to be sprayed by itself if you are looking for a dead flat finish. If you mix it with another clear it will be eggshell or semigloss. Depending on the ratio of the mix it will have anywhere from flat to semi to eggshell finish.

    Read the info in the link. Click on the ENGLISH tab for the tech sheet.

    https://buyat.ppg.com/refinishProdu...roductID=4651d508-18f4-4763-a2dc-82a4b30ed13f
     
  13. TimDavis
    Joined: Sep 4, 2005
    Posts: 718

    TimDavis
    Member

    Here is the roadster sprayed in Speed Green Flatz. Turned out awesome.
     

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