I got a stock 302 in my 97' Explorer and it will put you back in the seat plenty. Faster than most other stock V8 powered **** out there. I know cuz I loved racing anyone and everyone until I put a trailer behind it, and yes it pulls the trailer fine. YOur 302 will work good for a shoebox. Good Luck. I hope this helps my post count so maybe I can catch Von....
Thanks Cooter and Kutthrtkustoms as well as everyone else on hear who has replied!! You see that's what I was getting at the motor and ****** are just sitting there in the garage and since I have been wanting a tudor or coupe 49-51for a long time now.I was going to drop that engine into my 64 flacon but I figured it might be better to shop around and drop it in there if I can find one for a good deal.Right now I'm waiting on this lady to send me some pics of a 50 she has for sale outside of huntsville...$950.00 and hopefully it won't need to much work. The heads have been shaved a little and some small port work nothing major along with a mild cam. Just hopping I can fit the 3-speed ****** in it for now until later when I can swap it out if I do get it.If not the search continues....
I'm of the opinion Ford in Ford and so on and so on. I do like the SBC 327 that was in my 67 Eky and was just as impressed with the 289 SBF that was in my 65 Fastback. I did use Chevy valves in the iron heads and small chambers of the 65 heads, worked great. For your engine conversion contact Ch***is Engineering, they might have the answers you are looking for. Good Luck
I rebuilt a 255 SBF in a square, early 80s T-Bird one time. Talk about gutless, it wouldn't pull a sick ***** off of a piss-pot! I've seen plenty of early 302s that ran very well. Put the right set of early Windsor heads on one and the usual goodies and you've got a screamer for not much $. The main thing I have against them for rods is that they're just such dinky looking ****ers. In a bigger car especially, they just look anemic. But as far as the size and so the fitment goes, if you can't fit a 302 in a car, then ain't no V8 gonna fit! And I doubt you'd find a lighter all iron V-8 either.
In high school I had a 1971 2V 302 Torino automatic. My best buddy had a `70 Cutl*** 350, another had a later Olds 350 and another a 350 Monte Carlo. Even spotting them 48 cubes they could not get away from me in a drag race. Most of the time our little "contests" were 20 mph roll starts, but sometimes from a dead stop. I was proud of that. Mind you I was no supertuner and my car was dead stock with the factory timing. I just took good care of her and kept her looking good. These old heaps were not rocketships by any means but my `71 302 NEVER felt gutless.
How do you figure? Too bad 302 mustangs put the hurt on every white trash camaro in the last 80's to early 90's yes I'm talking about the 350's.You wanna talk about underpowered you can talk about 305's i'll put up my low powered 302 to a 350 chevy anyday of the week.
Honestly, for the same money you can build a 351. Stronger blocks, just as many parts, and hell....more displacement to boot. Wish I would have done that. BUT, my 302 in my almost 5000 pound truck (i think like 4400 lbs) put me in the seat when it was running, and will do so again when back running. I have rode (correct?) in fox bodies with 302's anywhere from stock just just turn downs, to full out super charged built cars. ALL of which put down power as to be expected. PLENTIFUL. How much do you really expect from a small displacement v8, compared to a big block? It's not going to torque like hell, but it will get moving very good for a daily.
exactly it's going to be driven daily and yeah I thought about a 351 most definetly but I already have the 302 ready to go so 302 it is.Just looking for a body to drop it in 49-51 shoebox
Thur some act of God and a Very good Friend i acquired a 1930 Ford Tudor and still have my arms and legs i want to put in a 302 and a rlocation of the gas tank any tips would be SWEEEET!!! thanks
I hear you Im still learning but if I find anything out I will definetly p*** it on to you good luck with your ride.
Okay so here is an update on my ride.One I never found a decent shoe in decent enough shape for the money they wanted so back to my original plan which was to get the old 64 falcon on the road again.The reason I was considering a shoe was for a chop and eventually all the goodies but maybe one day.So here is my dilema with the falcon it came with a 170 cid therefore all of the suspension is set up for a six and the engine going in is a v8.I have broken down all the front suspension already and have bought new upper and lower ball joints.The lower's are brand new control arms ( these parts are the same on the v8's so no problem there ).I have also bought the inner and outer tie rods for the six so no problem returning them if I should go with the v8 set up along with the tie rod adjusting sleeves.They are for power steering but that's another story will get to them eventually and exchange em. 1.Should I change out my suspension to the v8 set up or will the original 6 set up hold up fine for basically road use.Im not going to be on the track with it mostly crusing and a little highway action from time to time. 2.I have heard that I would need to get a center link off a 65 v8 so that I would not have to change my steering box ? Price of new center link $300.00 from Kanter.Been looking around for a donor with no luck. 3.Also will the original pitman arm work on the 65 v8 center link and tie rods ? Price for new pitman is $ 75.00 I found some on here http://www.thunderbirdconn.com/summary-results.cfm?Model_Name=Falcon&PartGroup=Steering and it looks to be the same part for the years 60-65 <TABLE bgColor=#afeeee border=1><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle>[SIZE=-1]1960 - 65 [/SIZE]</TD><TD vAlign=top>[SIZE=-1]PITMAN ARM[/SIZE]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#add8e6>[SIZE=-1]$75.00[/SIZE]</TD><TD vAlign=top bgColor=#add8e6>[SIZE=-1]3590-A-C0DZ[/SIZE]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> 4.Last but not least on keeping the original drum brakes.Will the outer tie rods fit onto the original spindles or will I need to swap thses out as well ? The other altrenative would be to go the route of finding all the parts for the disc brake conversion ? Just trying to see what is more sensible waiting to find a car with the v8 set up or going with what I got ? As a last resort hell I could always build a hot 200-250 cid I guess.It's just that the 302 is ready to roll other than a few gasket changes the engine is new with a little over 200 miles on it since being rebuilt.The only reason I would change some gaskets is because it was rebuilt about 10 years ago and just basically sat in the car all that time. Pics to follow in a few after I go home for lunch I need to upload em.Any input is appreciated !! Thanks
putting a v-8 in a 64 falcon is very easy , their is a lot of parts that interchange, just reserch and you will find all your answers, as for a 302 it is an awsome engine much better then a weak *** chevy engine. if chevys are so good put your chevy engine in a chevy car.
Yeah, gutless! 642hp at the flywheel from my old motor, I was gonna trade it in on a strong stock V8-60..............
good point. My 46 chevy truck has all drivetrain I pulled from a 69 mercury montego. The stock 302 is 210 hp with a 2bl. Add a performer intake and a 1406 carb and some duals and it is a pretty decent motor...still basically stock but just a few bolt on improvements.
Depends what box. There are many versions of both sbf and sbc. Both can either be dogs or runners. Stop Trolling and fix your little bow tie
Muncie. FIND A 250 AND STICK WITH IT. There is just something so cool about a straight 6 car. I will walk past 15 different V8 cars at any given time to go look at a hopped up 6. There's something about a straight 6 that you just can't get with an 8. Well unless maybe its an inliner also
I have a friend with a minor modded strait street gas T-5 5.0 Mustang that runs 12.40 1/4's at Gulfport Dragway, and there is a 67 289 225 HP Mustang that is just in the 13,s with automatic and 4.11 posi unit. Looks like enough power for a shoe box to me?
You're on the right track putting a V8 in your shoebox. While the stock 302 will be no contender, especially with an automatic, power will be adequate for full sized vehicle. You'll certainly enjoy driving the car more with the V8, and parts are available anywhere. The same can't be said for the inliner. Personally I'd prefer the 302 to the 351. Parts are cheaper, and I think you'll appreciate the (stock) 302's ability to rev over the (stock) 351's ability to thump, especially if you put a stick behind it The SBF's weakness comes from it's heads. Stock heads, even those on the GT mustangs, have tiny exhaust ports that choke the motor. Go on eBay and see if you can get a set of GT40 heads off of a Cobra. They flow better and have a little more compression, but are still pump gas friendly. They're also much cheaper than going the aftermarket route with AFRs or Edelbrocks. Honestly, I cant stand the look of a SBF in a pre-1960 car. That distributor sticking straight up in the front hangs out like a ***** in sweat pants. You can dress one up a little better to try to p*** it off as something a little older, but IMHO they can never look right. I know hating on the SBC seems to be the cool thing to do around here, but if you're building your car in a 50s style you can't go wrong. The SBC was the go-to OHV motor once it hit the scene...7 years before the anemic 221 SBF. Dudes talking about weak *** Chevy motors are full of ****. Stock SBFs and SBCs are strikingly similar: both have cast rotating ***emblies, iron heads, stud mounted rockers... I've seen plenty of guys blow their 302s all over the track and Chevs run for hundreds of thousand miles and vice versa. It depends mostly on you.
I have a 351w ,aod in my 40 sedan.Its harder to put a ford in a ford but thats part of the fun of it. Rowlett and Segoville PD both say it runs pretty good. Ron
Hey bud, ever ridden in a 5.0 Mustang? It's a 302. Or, the 347 stroker, which can put out anywhere from350 to 600 horse power. Just my $0.02.
Muncie, Go with the 302 and just keep it Ford! Heres a link for motor mounts a wise man gave me! http://jamcosuspension.com/products_speed.html Enjoy!
I had a 60 Falcon with a 289 and the stock front end including the 13" wheels and dog dish hub caps it worked fine. 1.Should I change out my suspension to the v8 set up or will the original 6 set up hold up fine for basically road use.Im not going to be on the track with it mostly crusing and a little highway action from time to time.
For a cruiser type car, I would just find the complete drivetrain from an 87-93 Mustang and drop it in. The wiring harness is pretty simple to make stand-alone (or you can buy premade harnesses from Painless), you get EFI that idles nice, you can find parts at any po-dunk parts store should you break down, etc. Are you going to win a bunch of races? NO. But you WILL have a nice cruiser that can still get on the freeway with some authority when you lay into it. I would do a 5.0/AOD/4.10 gears combo for a nice driver. My .02 Nick
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