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Technical Ford FE: 352 or 428?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Chris, Dec 27, 2018.

  1. Boneyard51
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    The “ mirror 105 “ blocks also came in 390 cubic inches also. I got one that came out of my 1975 One ton that also came with a Holley four barrel. It now has my 428 CJ in it... needed more power to compete with those diesels. He he



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  2. s55mercury66
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    You are right, I keep forgetting they installed some 390's in those years, lucky you, you got one. Thanks Bones, time to go edit me post.
     
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  3. You guys are killing me! I’m an SBC guy, but my first V-8 was an FE in an F-100. Now I want another! And at this point, I’m not too picky. A 390 or larger would be great, but wouldn’t mind a 352 or 360 ether! Now I just gotta find a nice big car or F-100 for it....


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  4. sunbeam
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    The big thing wrong with a 360 is pistons when Ford increased the stroke for the 390 used a shorter rod and changed the compression height in the piston. To stock only one block they put the 352 crank in the 390 block and used 390 pistons and 352 rods leaving the piston down in the hole= truck motor low compression. If you come across a 360 block with almost no cylinder wear you can hone the block to use .060 over 352 pistons like silvolite 1129 and it has the right 1.816 compression height for good compression.
     
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  5. Marty Strode
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    Ford did something similar with the 390's for the pickup applications from 68 and up. They used 410 Merc pistons to lower the compression. I bought a crate 390 pickup short block for a song, went to Ford and bought a new 428 CJ crank for under 100 bucks. It made a 10 to 1 -410 that ran great in my 65 PU for years, until the octane of the fuel was lowered, and it pinged like hell !
     
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  6. Boneyard51
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    Soooo....... did you buy the truck?




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  7. Chris
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    Well, here’s where today went. Guy called me and said if my offer was still good, come get it. Shoved it off the trailer, pulled a spark plug and using some brake line tubing ran #1 to TDC, marked the tube. Ran it all the way down and marked the tube, then measured it between the marks. It’s right at 4”...so I guess it does have a 428 crank?

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  8. s55mercury66
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    Yep, score!
     
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  9. OahuEli
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    Its good that you want to step in the world Gr***hopper. We of the Ford Clan welcome you.:D
     
  10. OahuEli
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    Geez, its cool stuff like this that makes me wish they'd finish the bridge between the mainland and Hawaii. I'd be all over this cool *** truck.
     
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  11. scotts52
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    Already looks better without the side racks. You should swap in a better gear ratio in that rig and run it and still keep looking for a 428 for the 57.
     
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  12. warhorseracing
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    I have to agree. Yup, you did good on another one.;)
     
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  13. Chris
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    Nope, I have more then enough truck projects already. I did however, make a deal with a good friend of mine (and a hamber!) to buy the truck less engine and winch for about s**** price. He has a 390 for it and may even convert it to 4WD. Its too nice of a truck to part the rest out
     
  14. OahuEli
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    That truck would look cool (and be useful!) with a period correct towing winch in it. Glad its not being parted out.
     
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  15. actually a 360 is a 390 block with a 352 crank. the rods are 390 rods. If you remove the ring ridge at the top of the cyl. You can drop a 390 crank in a 360 engine . The length of the rod doesn't alter the cubic inch displacement. only the bore and stroke changes cubic inch didplacement.
     
  16. Its got that (wrong side bed) that came out in 57. I prefer a flat bed on a dual wheel truck.
     
  17. sunbeam
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    A 360 use 6.54 rods and a 1.76 compression height piston leaveing the piston down about .060 in the cylinder giving around 8.5 compression. A 6.488 390 rod would leave the piston down about .150 and a 6.7 ratio. All my manuals 68-76 list a 360 at 8.4 compression.
     
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  18. Boneyard51
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    Chris, I glad you got it, I was beginning to worry! Lol Looks like you’ve got a good plan of action. Glad the truck is going to someone that’s going keep it kinda in it’s rare stock form. What ever happens to the truck now, it’s better than the s****per. Good score!




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  19. BigChief
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    ....or CJ/SCJs with dual quads.

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  20. haileyp1014
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    **** it toss a Chevy 6.0 ls in it
     
  21. seb fontana
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    Duck!
     
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  22. RmK57
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    Someone's on the sauce.
     
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  23. warhorseracing
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    Or smoking something. I think it's legal there.
     
  24. sunbeam
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    I thought you weren't supposed to say 6.0 on this site.
     
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  25. Chris
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    Well I got it running yesterday. The points were absolutey junk so I ended up putting a tune up kit in it (years ago I bought a huge box full of old tune up parts for Y block’s...all that stuff fits FE’s as well). Added oil and popped the top off the carb and filled with fuel. Cranked until it got oil pressure and after some coaxing it fired. Ran rough and would only run at half throttle, wouldn’t idle. I was surprised how fast that float bowl full of gas went! I pulled a valve cover and saw some mild scale rust from condensation so decided not to mess with making it run anymore as it’s going to get pulled and gone through anyways. I do think it was sitting a lot longer then the 2 years the orevious owner told me :D

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  26. I bought a T bird ? engine yesterday. I know THUNDERBIRD valve covers don't make it a Tbird mill. any more than Corvette valve covers make a small block a vette engine. Pontiac and FE mills 005.JPG Pontiac and FE mills 006.JPG However there was a 64 T bird fender laying on top of a 56 ford at the auction. It might be a 390 or a 352.
     
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  27. s55mercury66
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    Does it have an engine tag?
     
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  28. Sometimes ther was a tag attached to the Temp sending unit. this mill doesn't have one. Eventually I will pull the oil pan and measure the bore. That exhaust manifold is Dated 1961 however those same manifolds where used until 64. The 61 thru 64 352,s mostly where 2 bbl carb engines. they did make a high Hp 352 4 bbl in 61 but its rare and had hedder style exhaust manifolds. The early 390,s where almost always 4 bbl engines.
     
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  29. Boneyard51
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    Don’t get excited S-55, it doesn’t have PCV valves in the valve covers... I know where you were going! Lol


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  30. Nope it will not be a 410.
     
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