ford flatty to T-5 bellhousing?

Trying to help a friend get his 49 Ford out of the garage after grenading the stock 3spd.. Looking for info to slap a mustang T-5 in, but all I can find are adapters for running S-10 T-5s. Engine is a 49 also- guess the early vs. late bellhousings are different?
appreciate all the help to get this sled rolling again.

 

I believe one is made. Give Flathead Jack a call. I think he has one or had one made. It is going to be pricey.

I also think MEC in Ohio (I think) makes one for Mustang T-5's as well.

I'm assuming they are the same as the Chevy with the four "dog ears" right?

 

the s10 has the chev. bolt parten the mustang has a patern like a toploader ford

 

should be able to use a y-block (t-bird) adapter, or an early mustang adapter since you have the late car bell.

your shifter is going to be under the seat though unless you change the tailhousing.

 

You're gonna need a 8BA truck adapter ring to make that block have the same configuration as an early block. Be sure to get the appropriate starter plate that goes with the truck ring. Then, a Ford to Chevy bellhousing with the later tongue type throw out bearing arm will bolt up. Check Speedway for an Offy adapter. Do a search on here for details about the pressure plate and clutch disc. Hope that helps.

 

Your prayers are answered:

http://www.macspeed.com/adapters_2.html

- end of problem.

You'll still need to put the S-10 tailshaft on the trans though.

 

First off, you don't want a Mustang T5 because the shifter will end up under the seat. The S10 shifter is about seven inches further foreward. If you have the 49 Ford bell housing and clutch, all you need is the 199 dollar adapter from Speedway, a different pilot bushing, and a sleeved 49 Ford throw out bearing. Then a modified rear cross member, and a bit of work on the drive shaft, and you are on the road.

 

http://www.ford-y-block.com/truckt5.htm

$175 from John M.

how close are the pre-64 and post-64 bolt patterns?

for $100, this could work:
ebay adapter

its funny I was just thinking about this. I sold 2 s-10 T5s and now I'm wondering if I REALLY want to put the stock 3 on the tree back in my car.

 

All the info you need is prolly in this post. Great job by Flat Ernie:

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=171291&highlight=t5+to+flathead

 

Here is Speedway's $199 one

 

Wrong. They are not the same pattern.

 

There are three basic patterns - 49-64, 64-?? (toploader), and modern (T5 style) - I do not know when the "toploader" pattern was discontinued, nor when the modern pattern began, but I'd put the date in the late 70s.

You should be able to use a stamped steel bellhousing and modify it to fit the Mustang T5 according to modernbeat here - I've never done that, so have no first-hand info. He's done several.

I've also seen flat-plate adapters to use the late Merc cast iron bellhousing.

Other options as outlined above (Mac's and others) and in the tech archives.

 

I used a one piece steel bell housing from a 51 ford and the speedway adapter , a S10 T5. I belive the disk was out of a chevy astro van. See pictures in my Roadster photo album. It all seam to fit well. Hope to try it out soon....

 

Mark Kirby at shadow rods sells Flathead to Mustang T-5. We put an S-10 tail housing on the back and absolutely love the transmission. We used a 4.33 winters rear but the .64 overdrive lets us cruise at 75 or 80 MPH without breaking a sweat.

 

there's also flat-o products that sells an adapter http://www.flat-o.com/carproducts/index.htm

 

The late Toploader pattern lasted thorough mid 1983 on Ford cars, used behind the SROD 4 speeds in 1979-1983 1/2 V8 Mustang/Capris. The SROD is an aluminum case OD toploader derative. The bellhousings on these are "deeper" since the SROD has a longer input shaft than the old toploader. In trucks it lasted a few years longer, until around 1986 or 1987. These were also toploader based OD 4 speed transmissions. There was acually one last use of the Toploader pattern for the 1995 Mustang Cobra "R" model which had a Tremec 3550 transmission.

I believe the first use of the "Ford T5" pattern behind a V8 was for the 1975-1978 Mustang II V8 with the "RAD" (Borg Warner SR4) 4 speed. Info here is stolen from 5speeds.com.
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"There are 2 basic kinds of T5 5 speeds. Non World Class ( NWC ) and World Class ( WC ). The T5 is an evolution of the Borg Warner SR4 4speed. The SR4 was a lightweight design, ball bearing and needle bearing counter gear box using bronze synchro rings. The T4 was an improvment of this design, using tapered input and output shaft bearings combined with a drawn cup roller bearing countergear. The T5 NWC was a T4 with an added 5th gear."[/FONT]

This is NOT the same bellhousing as the later 1983 1/2-1993 Mustang V8 T5 bellhousing but they do apparently share the same transmission pattern. The Mustang II v8 bellhousing is smaller in diameter and deeper.

In the attached pic the Mustang II bellhousing is on the right with a T5 bolted to it, the 83-93 Mustang T5 bellhousing is on the left.

 

That Speedway item is a winner,...and a LOT cheaper than the Offy item.

4TTRUK

 

X2 on the speedway adapter...jack

 

Wilcap in Pismo Beach, CA is a good source for info and adapters. Their web site has a lot of info on bell housings and what trannys to use.