yes the car came with a ***le, it’s already in my name, tagged and insured. The car actually drives pretty good after I did a bunch of work getting it running again. I understand what everyone is saying about the vin. The numbers I have found on the car all match. I would only be concerned with that if I was planning on selling it which won’t happen it’s been in the family since 1967.
Just posing a question here, very well could be state related, but.. Say my ‘39 Ford is in my name, the SN on the frame matches the ***le. All good. Now I swap frames and now have a different number on the frame vs ***le. Let’s say that my ‘39 Ford gets stolen. I see a pic of the stolen vehicle once recovered, “that’s my car”. I grab my ***le and head down to get my vehicle. ***le # and Frame # don’t match. Do I get my car back?
Cut the serial number off the old frame, weld onto new frame. You should be able to finish it off that it’s un-detectable. And that is how I inherited it
The welds are always detectable even if finished off perfectly smooth I’m sure the nice DMV people can ***ist you on number issues with the ch***is if absolutely needing to swap it. Probably very few of us are up to date on your state’s regs on this. There is a process or lots of old rides wouldn’t be running aftermarket ch***is or new builds with both aftermarket bodies and frames. With a notirized bill of sale for the replacement ch***is, recovering this mythological stolen car is possible. I’ve seen serial numbers added to parts on cars to help if stolen. ****, stamp your name on the body if you want to.
Listen to gimpyshotrods on this, you also have the possibility of your insurance company denying a claim if the serial number they insured doesn't match the car.
If you drive a vehicle with an altered serial number and are involved in an accident it isn't a "possibility" the insurance company will deny your claim, it is a certainty, and chances are you will also end up in jail. Your two best choices are to either fix your original frame or re-***le the vehicle using the replacement frame numbers.
When will other have Light bulb go off This is not good to just post about Vins , Only legit , You are not having a private message & non member can see chatter about including the eye in sky , think about it !!
This thread can be deleted, I didn’t mean for this question to spiral on about numbers and legal stuff. I only asked about frame differences. I got the answers I was looking and then some.
I understand that using a grinder can be quicker at removing materials, and in some areas I did. Others I had resorted to a carbide bit and die grinder. The rest however were drilled. My procedure was I center punched them all with one of those automatic punches to get a accurate center, then again with a hammer and punch to set the dimple, followed with an air drill, drilling a 3/32" pilot hole in them all, followed by a 1/4, 5/16., or 3/8" bits, sharpened and dipped in cutting fluid. All drilled with ***embly line precision. Lots drilled on my back on the driveway. Not as bad as it sounds, getting up is what hurts. As in real estate, location matters. With curiosity, did you re rivet or bolt ? Full disclosure, If I had extra hands and the body off, I might have considered replacing with rivets, but as it sits, bolting is what it got. I did search out the AZ frame for sale in the cl***ifieds. Maybe it's a me being cheap thing, but for the asking price...it has me thinking, rolling or not, that amount of money would buy a lot of solutions to the fix the frame problem, nasty as it looked. Like the tools to do the job, welding lessons. A tow truck to the sandblasters yard maybe? The OP question, or problem was in the first place to switch or not to switch. Not thinking about legalities, I remember the words of our long dead Provincial Leader Ralph Klein who's comment regarding mad cow disease was and I paraphrase, a lot of problems because someone didn't shoot shovel and shut up. Switch the frame, paint it black and you know the rest.
Some of us just letting you know what could happen , I have said before You always do not have to be one that gets your self in trouble, when you roll the dice ... Decisions Knew a person doing some things taken a chance for 10 years then one day another person ran threw light , The person I knew lawyer fees ,fines & jail
Another way to remove rivets, a big chisel, vise-grips, and a mean hammer. The chisel has to be angle ground. The grips save your hand. Lay the sharp edge on the frame, hit the head of the rivet as hard as you can, like it felt up your girl in the mall. Sometimes if it's hard enough the rivet head shears clean in 1 hit but it usually takes 3 or 4 good whacks. Rivet head gone, zero frame damage, rivet doesn't heat up and get tighter. Replacement choice for me was always appropriate carriage bolts where heads were seen. I have done new rivets now and then. It sux without the big pneumatic smasher (we had one on a gantry in the proto shop).
Really you guys this is just silly. No one is going to go to prison for putting a Pete and Jake's frame under their 40 Ford. The OP is not running a chop shop. Even if he puts a 39 frame under his car it's no issue. There may be some confusion if he were to sell it but a DMV Statement of Facts is all he needs. But since he's keeping the car it's a non-issue. Patching the original frame vs shoving a 39 frame under his car is the issue.
He’s gonna get life possibly the electric chair and if stolen or wrecked, no one can figure out who the car belongs to. It never existed The entire balance of the universe is attached to a 39 ford ch***is. Think about the affect on the space/time continuum. my ch***is number is different. The DMV did their thing. I filled out a paper and an officer signed off on it. No black holes opened up If stolen or wrecked the insurance has it handled.
Sixteen years ago I purchased a 1992 Harley Davidson fat tire chopper off a gentleman. He built it from parts off of EBay. Beautifully done, 80 CU Evo . He handed me all the receipts, do***ents for the aftermarket frame, do***ents from EBay, up the wazzoo. Every piece had receipts . Well I take down to the DMV. Lady looks it all over , checks out the bike. You need to take it to CHP for a vin verification. So I walk into CHP show them paper work, plus the additional paper from the DMV. They tell me the officer who handles this type of thing is recovering in the hospital. So they called someone at a different Precinct, fax him some of the do***ents, talking to him while checking out the bike. So now I gotta go to Fresno CHP on a later date, so home I go, locked the bike in the garage. Next day I’m working out of town, get a call from a CHP detective, he wants to look at the bike right now. But I’m at work. Now he says. So home I go home. He drives all the way from Fresno to my house.
He makes me pull the bike out of the garage and takes a bunch of pictures, every square inch of the bike. Tells me I’m under investigation. I asked for what? He says, I’m going to run the numbers on your bike. If anything’s hot, I’ll be back for you and your motorcycle. Put the bike back in your garage and don’t let anything happen to it. He said, I get back to you and left.
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Weeks went by, no word, WTH. Finally he calls, says everything checks out. He laughs and tells me that my engine is off a Honolulu Hawaii police bike, frame is legitimate, forks are from Minnesota, transmission is from Florida. He said he was close to getting a warrant and hauling me and the bike in . He said every main component has numbers and to use the engine vin. I asked what about the guy I bought it from. Says he doesn’t care about him. I have possession of the bike.
You think doing it right or buy the book is easy think again. Your dealing with people who carry a badge. I hold no hard feelings for the CHP, they did their jobs.
Good morning, I live in Florida and if you purchase a vehicle from out of state the Police have to check the vin number. Also if you put the 1940 frame in and don’t have paperwork and the 1940 was once stolen good bye. Sorry it doesn’t abide to your question. Nice car and take care of it.
With disclosure, I try to avoid interacting with cops. Maybe that's because I'm understanding of the role they play, power they yield and the purpose they serve in the course of their duties. Nice people most of them. But doing their job...? Maybe they did. After all, you had a pretty good paper trail from the previous owner, you obviously appeared as an upstanding citizen willing to pay the price to drive. Almost sounds slam dunk at here's your tag Mr. Onemansjunk. But seemingly it didn't go that way. Maybe they ran your name and discovered sketchy? Previous history raise a red flag? Or he remembers that the name sounded familiar to someone sketchy and decided to dig deeper? Maybe he said Modesto has a lot of stuff stolen...? Whatever the reason, sounds like it stuck on you. I understand how it happens. Mom worked in a bar when draft was $0.25 a gl***. Guys would buy three and tip a quarter. She saved her tips and decided to buy a rocker recliner that was on sale at a furniture outlet and sent my younger brother and I to buy it with two jars of quarters. Waiting, the cops showed up and started asking us long hairs questions. The punch line being where did we get all the change? Turns out the vending machine had been ransacked when the store was broken into a week previous. Come to think of it, that was my first police interaction. Maybe that interaction is where it all stems from? That you'll be guilty until you're proven innocent? (Shameless Plug) Transit Hotel in Edmonton...no longer a bar but a BBQ smoke house restaurant, still around, and up for sale. Anyways...Where exactly are all these serial stamped number located? Anyone answer that? Drivers rail, I got that one found. And I can say with a soft certainty, from the pictures of buddies rusty frame, any chance that the CHP, or the NDP (Alberta joke) could find a visible number would likely be a no way, good luck with that. And to have the resource to check, let alone find with modern technology that could scan the depth of material thickness, i.e. ultrasound, over a simple vehicle registration, not likely. Common on. I imagine he's going to walk out, look for a vin tag, maybe a certification sticker from another governing body that aligns, doing a visual make sure it hasn't been tampered with, such as a sketchy color change maybe (?), confirms it's Vin against the paper and say yup, looks good, lets go back inside and finish the paperwork. Not end of the world formality. Like when the border guy says secondary inspection pull over there. Ask for receipts and if we just forgot to declare the fireworks they found...? Funny thing...my one VIN appears to be a bit ******ed up, maybe one of you law enforcement types can tell me if my car was stolen by looking at what's left of the VIN? I bought it from BP Energy...bullet holes and all. Legally, I got a bill of sale. Not much to stand on if it was a stolen get away vehicle long abandoned by the perps shot up in the commission of a crime. Sounds as simple then as finding what the Vin is on the 40 frame and asking the local man of law to run the number to see what comes up. But I'd use it without knowing because at the end of the day, I think of myself as a dummy and most criminals think they're smart.
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