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Front shocks on the GB...............pics

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Antibilly, Jul 12, 2004.

  1. Antibilly
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    Hey guys I managed to find away to mount the front shocks on the Green Bean. I used lower shock mounts for the upper mounts on the spring perch and drilled the axle and used standard shock mount bolts for the bottom..I havnet test driven her but thing they look like theyll work and are presentable.
    What do you guys think?
     
  2. Antibilly
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  3. Fat Hack
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    It's got a chrome mustache!!! [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

     
  4. Antibilly
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    Hack leave it to you to bring out the personal hygiene into this...
    really though you kook...does it look OK...yes Im asking for feedback. [​IMG]
     
  5. GreggAz
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    looks like they are at too sharp of an angle...

    when you hit an even bump, the axle will go up, but not compress the shocks much, if at all.
     
  6. Nads
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    It looks good but I'm with 55safari, I guess when you drive it you'll know if it works.
     
  7. zman
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    I'm thinking at that angle it's gonna bend the shock shafts.
     
  8. Fat Hack
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    Dey almost luk like dem Heck-o-thorn steerin' staybileyzers!

    Y'all been hangin owt wit us for-bye-for guyz??!!!

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

     
  9. CrazyDaddy has this in the Classfieds right now

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    Oh yeah, F-1 shock mounts, really nice, $50. Hate to let this batch go, but I've found a deuce 5-w that needs to be in MY garage....

    [/ QUOTE ]

     
  10. bigron
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    i was told that shocks can lean no more than 20 deg. but, hell drive it and see what happens.
     
  11. Mojo
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    Very cool look... it's got that early 60's experimental look to it, back when they tried anything. Logic says the shocks are at too sharp an angle to be effective, but if they're stiff and your front is light, I bet they'd work just fine. Besides, creativity trumps function every time.
     
  12. Looks Florida to me
     
  13. wes
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    i would say that they are angled so much that they arnt gonna work very well, even though the suspension is traveling they arnt gonna be compressing very much
     
  14. You were flicking boogers at the kid in front of you in Geometry Class.......right?
     
  15. wes
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  16. Not you Wes, Otownmikewhateverhisname
     
  17. wes
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    heh, like the other dudes said, drive it and see what happens!
     
  18. Antibilly
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    Tman...when ya coming down for a visit?

    the shocks have plenty of travel using the hop up and down on the frame test. [​IMG]
    Im gonna drive it tonight so well see what happens.

    yea its a florida thing...
     
  19. Mike the oscillations you were talking about were much smaller than the jump up and down on the frame thing. I would think that the shocks are only going to move 1"-2" or so through the the front suspensions full travel. If they were more vertical, you would get more dampening because the shocks would be using more of their range of motion.

    Then again, you might as well try it, it's done already. [​IMG]
     
  20. raven
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    My understanding is that the shocks should be around fifteen degrees. No more.
    I don't believe that they would actually dampen much at all.
    $0.02
    r
     
  21. Antibilly
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    What should and does are to differant things.....I wish I could show you the jump test...
    As well the way Im trring to mount them didnt give much range.
    well see what happens tonight. [​IMG]
    4T64RD whats up with this trailer your holding out on? [​IMG]
     
  22. burndup
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    You saw that on the Leftover special...

    It aint gonna work there, either... bind.
     
  23. Antibilly
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    Bind?.........please explain [​IMG]
     
  24. Kevin Lee
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    I don't understand the bind or bend comments either. I think the idea is cool and the mounts look pretty clean. Split bones aren't REALLY supposed to work either...if you paid attention in geometry class. [​IMG] So I say run it. Surely it can't make the ride worse?
     
  25. haring
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    Bind -- the shaft will want to get stuck instead of traveling smoothly. While your set-up might work a bit, it's not ideal. You are side-loading the shocks, applying as much or more force to the side than to the central axis of the shock.

    The real problem, as it relates to geometry, is travel. The closer the shock gets to zero, the less travel, and less dampening, you have. So even if they don't bind, you're not doing much dampening either.

    But as with all things, test it out in the real world and let us know how it drives.
     
  26. autocol
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    bind... no. it won't bind. well actually, you've already told us it doesn't so we can rule that out. will it work? yes. but then, it would work without shockers at all, just not as well as it could. i think that with your present design it will work, but not as well as it could.


    check out my totally shithouse diagram below, your shocker is mounted on the left side of the car in the picture, and a more conventional shocker position is on the right (with everything exaggerated for clarity). in the top half of the picture the car is at ride height.

    the car in the second half of the picture has the suspension in the compressed position. look at the shockers. the one on the right has almost totally used its stroke, the one on the left has basically just laid down, using a tiny bit of stroke ---> that is, it's not actually absorbing any shock, somewhat negating it's purpose for existence.


    try something mike - when you jump on the front of the car, how long (and/or how many bounces) does it take to come to rest?


    again, i'm sure the car will run fine configured as it is, i just don't think the ride will be much good at the front.
     

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  27. Antibilly
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    autocol I did the jump test for ya and it seems to come back solid no bouncing.
     
  28. Antibilly
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    heres another look
     
  29. Unkl Ian
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    Look at the pictures.
    The upper and lower eyes are PARALLEL.
    The shock CAN'T bind.
    It's that simple.
    Doesn't matter what the angle is,they won't bind.Both ends can pivot.
    As long as the shock doesn't bottom out,which I doubt,it's not a problem.

    Rotate one end of the shock 90 degrees,and that would be a different story.

    They may not offer alot of damping,
    but maybe he doesn't need that much.
    Most shocks are too stiff anyway.
     
  30. Nads
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    Oh yeah he needs damping allright Unkl Ian. He's been awfully dry down there lately, his Depends are working entirely too well.
     

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