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Technical Full flow flathead question

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  1. douglasb
    Joined: Feb 4, 2007
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    Hello all. Just have a question in regards to the "full flow" mod on a flathead. I picked up a fresh built 51 mercury that looks to have the mod. I am trying to figure the plumbing to the remote oil filter and my question is why are the in/out holes in the block 3/8 if the oil line is going to be 1/4 with a restrictor. Or do I need to run a bigger line then 1/4?? Any help will be appreciated.
     

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  2. Glenn Thoreson
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    from SW Wyoming

    They were both "out" holes. One was for the pressure gauge sender if you wanted to mount it there. The other went to the filter via a 1/4" line. With the mod I would guess that one of the holes has been modified to go to the oil gallery and the other to a filter. My guess would be that in order to ***ure enough flow to the bearings you would need a 3/8" line, in & out, minimum. Since the holes are 1/4 pipe thread it should be a simple plumbing job using off the shelf fittings. Now ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Are you sure it's had the full flow mod ??? It's not likely. You need to make sure. The stock setup: The holes are stock and don't look to be altered. Any hole can go to the filter inlet through a special flare fitting with a .040" - .060" restriction and the filter return line went to a fitting on the oil pan, all using 1/4" tubing. The twin holes can can go to the oil pressure sender and the other hole used a 1/4" pipe plug (for future use). All you need is 1 reducing bushing - 1/4" - 1/8", 1 br*** flare fitting (1/8" pipe to 1/4" tubing), and 1/4" pipe plug (s) to suit.. The rest should be on your filter.
     
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  3. Looks very similar to the oil mods on my block .
    When using that modification,,,,,,,the lines are not 1/4 inch anymore .
    You must use a larger line and a normal oil filter,,,,,,,otherwise the engine will fail .
    The hole in your pic,,,up near the blue tape is not stock,,,,it has been added by someone.
    You need to see if the transfer galley tube has been blocked off .
    Try and put an Allen wrench or anything in the horizontal hole and see if it is blocked by a plug .

    Tommy

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  4. Hnstray
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    I installed a ‘full flow’ filter kit on a ‘53 Merc flathead about 12 years ago. It consisted of a modified oil pump that delivered the oil through a fitting in the side of the oil pan, lines to a remote filter mount, through the filter and back to the engine block to the main gallery for distribution. My recollection is the lines were 1/2” id, but possibly 3/8” id…..it’s been awhile.

    I feel certain anything using 1/4” lines is unsuitable for a true full flow system.

    Ray
     
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  5. Hnstray ,

    That is the full system that is routed like that,,,,,,and in my opinion,,,is complete overkill for one of these engines,,,,unless an all out race mill .
    No disrespect intended .
    The oil pump mods are expensive and the entire kit to do the change gets in your bill fold .

    This other mod is almost no cash outlay ,,,,,and is described in detail in several places on the internet,,,,,very simple to do .

    Tommy
     
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  6. douglasb
    Joined: Feb 4, 2007
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    Thanks for the info guys. Someone spent alot of money on this motor and that is why I suspect the mods been done. But the guy that built it has p***ed away so I can't verify.

    I added the block off screw up to to split the holes, and working on setting up the modern style remote filter. So if not 1/4 then 3/8? And will I still need a restrictor or not? Thanks again

    The attached pic is what I had seen that lead me to believe the mod was done.
     

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  7. If you have the mods and blocked the tube,,,,,,you will definitely need a regular remote filter and do not use a restriction in the filter system .
    The lines should be for the 3/8 pipe thread fittings,,,,,,I think the I.d. Of the lines is near 1/2 inch inside,,,,,,,they mic close to around.450-.475,,,,,very close to 1/2 inch .
    Imagine the filter line routing just like the diagram in post #6,,,,,,one line out,,,the other back in,,,,,,,,the line in goes straight to the oil galley transfer tube .

    Tommy
     
  8. The 39 guy
    Joined: Nov 5, 2010
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    The 39 guy
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    Stock system
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    If you do it this way you will be fine. Big lines are good. Some say you don't even need a filter. They say just change the oil ever 2 or 3 thousand miles. I change my oil once a year that works out to every three thousand miles. I chose to do the more extensive/expensive/time consuming oil pump and remote filter change. Shown below. It has been working fine. I always have a lot of oil pressure.
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  9. Glenn Thoreson
    Joined: Aug 13, 2010
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    Glenn Thoreson
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    from SW Wyoming

    I don't know, but it looks to me like the oil p***ages visible through the holes have not even been cleaned. If that's true I would suspect stock oil system and possibly shoddy workmanship.
     

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