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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by D.O.G., Mar 17, 2010.

  1. D.O.G.
    Joined: Jan 30, 2010
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    D.O.G.
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    Howdy H.a.m.b.er's,
    Can anyone give me some advice on gear ratios? I have "56" ford P 500 parcel delivery van that has a Rockwell Standard C-100 rear end sporting a 5.83. This is way too low! The truck has a 223 six engine that runs real nice. I would like to take it on the freeway (in the slow lane, 55ish) Hauling a fair amount of weight. What would be a good ratio for this? And will it fit in a C 100 third member?
    Thanks all,
    D.O.G.
     
  2. Hnstray
    Joined: Aug 23, 2009
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    Hnstray
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    from Quincy, IL

    You no doubt realize that if you change to a higher gear ratio (lower numerically) that the effect will be the same as if you reduced horsepower. With the size, weight and wind resistance of your truck, plus cargo, with a 223 six, there isn't much horsepower or torque to spare.

    I have no idea what fits the rear axle housing now in your truck, but I would imagine some diligent research will unearth some info about ratios available, and some of their applications. A truck salvage yard would be a good place to inquire about that.

    My guess would be 4.56 or so would be about as much as the engine would handle with the aforementioned load factors.

    Ray
     
  3. ^^^What he said.....the 223 just don't have the power to pull a tall gear.
     
  4. D.O.G.
    Joined: Jan 30, 2010
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    D.O.G.
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    Thank you Ray,
    I did not realize the loss of horse power was that relative. I will do some more sussing.
    Christopher
     
  5. D.O.G.
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    D.O.G.
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    Gotcha RMR&C,
    I had a sneaking suspicion I was under powered, Dang!
    Christopher
     
  6. BuiltFerComfort
    Joined: Jan 24, 2007
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    A 4.10 or 3.90 gear and a mild hop-up of the 223 might work - if you can find a dual carb intake and split exhaust for cheap you will get an extra 10-15 hp, enough to get you faster with a taller rear gear. (Just guessing though)
     
  7. JohnEvans
    Joined: Apr 13, 2008
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    JohnEvans
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    from Phoenix AZ

    You will have a hard time finding anything for that rear as it has been obsolete for 40 years. And I really doubt you could pull any lower ratio with that engine. If you gota go faster you gota get more power ,V8 or better yet a Cummins 4 or 6 BT with a 5 speed OD. Those type trucks were city delivery trucks never designed to run down modern freeways.
     
  8. Unibodyguy
    Joined: Dec 23, 2007
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    A couple of things to consider, like previous posts not too low because not enough power there once your up to speed. Try cliffordperformance.com for some 223 hop-up stuff. The rear end itself probably doesn't have anything much better than possibly 4:56's. If its a dual wheel setup, you probably also have 6 lug wheels that might also be 17.5 tires size. If you lucky they might be currently 16's, which will give you a lot more choices. What i would do is look for a Dana 60 (single wheel) or Dana 70 (dual wheel) with something like 4:11's. They also would have 16" tires a more modern 8 lug wheel that most trucks had from 57-96. A lot better on the highway and 55 friendly more than what you have and if you still want a little lower RPM's go with a taller tire. If you would do this you should probably also look for some front spindles that would also be 8 lug so you could have all the same wheel/tire size. Just my 2 cents.

    Michael
     
  9. shinysideup
    Joined: Sep 1, 2008
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    shinysideup
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    Thats a city truck. My daily worktruck '68 grumman has a 300-6 and 4.56, not even close to an interstate worthy. She runs around town pretty well but winds above 4k to do 50+mph. Does the job it was made for very well I might add.
     
  10. Unibodyguy
    Joined: Dec 23, 2007
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    Unibodyguy
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    I thought the same thing too a city delivery truck with those gears. I guess the truck has 5 lug wheels on it?? What size are those tires.

    Michael
     

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