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Gennie Shifter problem Help!

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by n847, Apr 11, 2012.

  1. n847
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    Ok I'll prefface this by saying I'm sure that I'm missing something stupid! I installed my gennie shifter on my TH350 today and I must be a complete ***** because I looked at the instructions (vauge at best but no one else seems to have these problems) and I don't see what I missed! When I hooked up the linkage the shifter was in the part space (I think) all the way foreward. The Transmission is in Park (I think) with the bracket rotated all the way counter clockwise toward the front of the car if your looking from the drivers side. What I don't understand is if I pull the shifter down toward 1st gear it is going to try to push the arm farther forward! What did I do wrong because now its all bound up! I don't know what I'm missing!
     
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  3. BISHOP
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    Put it together in the drive position, trans in drive also.

    Then put in park, and adjust position from the dash if needed.

    Please hook up the neutral safety switch when done.
     
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  4. BAD PENNY
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    I dunno man. I read your post several times and studied the pic but can't recall how we installed that thing. It must be something simple. I'll forward your post to Scott to see if he remembers anything.
     
  5. BISHOP
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    The shifter and the trans are not in the same gear position.
     
  6. n847
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    Thanks bishop I'll try that!

    BAD PENNY I'm sure its something simple! The Drive thing kind of makes sense!
     
  7. Fenders
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    "The Transmission is in Park (I think) with the bracket rotated all the way counter clockwise toward the front of the car if your looking from the p***enger side..."

    From the p***enger side?
    Is your transmission arm upside down?
     
  8. 327-365hp
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    I think the bracket on the trans should be towards the back in park, the linkage from the shifter should attach to the top of the bracket.
     
  9. n847
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  10. 327-365hp
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    Tough to remember when you're upside down under the car. :D It's all trial and error, you'll figure it out Nate.
     
  11. Fenders
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    "The Transmission is in Park (I think) with the bracket rotated all the way counter clockwise toward the front of the car if your looking from the drivers side...."

    I think the trans arm should be all the way CW in park... easy way to check is if in park the car won't roll !
     
  12. Hoptup Jalop
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    i think you need the shifter handle all the way forward (Disconnected from the ******) and rotate the ****** arm all the way rearward...connect the linkage adjust and should be ok...i think
     
  13. mattmartin
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    the bracket on the transmission should be all the way back when its in park. when you pull the shifter back, it pushes the bracket arm on the trans forward to go into gear. youve got it backwards. adjust everything when its in neutral, so it goes evenly into park as well as low gear. then add the proper amound of shims to make the neutral safety swith work properly and then tighten up the pivot bolt if the shifter slides too easily
     
  14. n847
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    Yeah guys thanks for the advise on the neutral safety switch...I will be using it!

    OK I thinkg you are all right I will check it out and get the trans in the correct gear and match it to the shifter.

    I also noticed the length of the rod appears to be way to long in the current configurations do you suppose that is because of the holes I have it mounted in?
    BAD PENNY and 327-365hp do you guys remember what holes you had it set on? I think it could afford to move back to the last set of holes to fit in the car better any way!
    Oh and yes I am going to have to build a little something up around the trans tunnel because the trans sits so high in the car that I had to cut way more out than expected. The big hole was already there, but its pretty convienient because its nice and easy to work on the shifter now!
     
  15. n847
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    You can see the length of the shift rod past the shifter lever! Also note the holes at the back of the bracket I think I may need to move the shifter back to these holes.
    [​IMG]
     
  16. Hoptup Jalop
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    play with the arm on the stick a tooth or 2 and with the mounting holes as well... looks like moving it back one hole might get you in the right area...i had to do it on mine several times to make everything work. mine came with 3 size rods btw.
     
  17. mattmartin
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    yeah, screw the adjuster in evenly on the rod and then take off the arm on the shifter splines and turn it back a few notches till its happy. i had to play with mine for a little bit to get it right.. then you should be good. just make sure you dont hit the tunnel with it when its extended all the way in each direction
     
  18. Jim Dieter
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    The shift location was meant to be moved if you wanted it forward on the trans. My lokars were an all thread rod...cut to fit, but yours looks like a solid with tapped ends. I just stuck the trans in park, lever in park, and made the rod fit. I didnt have any issues with the gears not lining up with either lokar, or my old gennie.
     
  19. mattmartin
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    .. and if the shifter isnt where you want it after you get it set up so it works properly, just heat it up with a torch and bend it
     
  20. Boones
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    your shifter is further forward then mine was in my 53. I did not have to cut a hole in the floor (only in the cover. Move your shifter back
     
  21. LostHope
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    If yours is a mid mount gennie shifter like mine i think you have it bolted in the right spot as far as in the mounting brackets on the trans, heres mine on my th350, hard to take a picture under the car and at night but think you might be able to see alright:

    this is in park!
    note that the shifting bracket that bolts to the trans shifting nub is almost vertical pointing up....
    also note that if you count the holes from the front of mounting bracket on the trans that mounts the shifter that 4 holes back is where your last allen bolt will be bolted in.....also note that where the shifting arm from the shifter is that the heim joint bolts to is almost in line with that last allen bolt...

    so going from front to back the first hole is empty, second, thrid and fourth holes all have allen bolts, and the fifth hole is empty on the long mount bracket...

    the shifter when pulled back into geras from P,R,N,D pushs the rod forward and the arm thats pointing upwards on the trans forward into the gears from P,R,N,D so make sure before you hook everything up that the trans shifting nub that sticks out is turned all the way clockwise till it stops( which is park), then bolt the shifting bracket on ,and it should be pointing upwards.......so if your saying the way yoou have it now is you pull back on the shifter and the rod wants to push the rod and the bracket arm bolted on the trans forward but it cant then you have the trans in gear and not park!!!

    what also seems to be your problem is that the shifters came with two different threaded rods that were different lengths for mid, and tail mount applications,and you have the rod for tail mount and not mid mount.... measure the one you have and i can measure the one i have installed and can tell you if you have the right rod for a mid mount setup...If not then i think you will have to move the shifter back, or go to the hardware store and buy a piece of all thread and cut it to the right size as the other rod that you dont have( unless you still have it somewhere)

    I have a removable trans cover panel at the moment thats just sheet metal screwed so if needs be i can take it apart and get better pictures for you..

    heres the pics:
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  22. spooler41
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    Check the shifter arm on the trans., it should move in the proper direction if it is pointed down and back( about '4 o'clock).
    Hope that helps, it took me awhile to get mine to work right too.
    ................Jack
     
  23. LostHope
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    I went out and pulled the cover for you heres some pictures that might help:
    here you can see the arm that comes off the shifter is lined up lith the last allen bolt almost....and the arm on trans is almost straight up.....this is in park!!
    [​IMG]
    this is in park, notice arm is lined up with allen bolt on shifter and arm on trans is pointing up:
    [​IMG]
    here the shifter is pulled towards the seat PRND so its in gear, notice the arm on shifter, the rod ,and the arm on trans all moved towards the front of the car when shifting into gears:
    [​IMG]
    this is in park:
    [​IMG]
    this is in gear:
    [​IMG]
    heres is a ****py shot with a tape measure from bolt to bolt on the heim joints showing about 9 1/2 inchs approx...
    [​IMG]
    hope this helps
     
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  24. LostHope
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    unless mines hooked up wrong and still works i dont think this is correct.....
     
  25. LostHope
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    heres your problem, park is all the way clockwise when looking at it from the drivers side, not counter clock wise you have it in gear when you started

    its supposed to push forward you just have it in gear and cant go any farther forward and is binding up, start over at the trans gear bracket!!
     
  26. n847
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    Awesome Guys Thanks!
    Thanks lost hope...the pictures really helped...I'll bring another piece of all thread home tonight...Im guessing the car was set up on the back mounting position for the guys I bought it from. I may or may not move it back.
     
  27. 327-365hp
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    Great pics there Lost Hope!
     
  28. n847
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    Ok got everything working better, just having trouble getting it adjusted! It seems like my transmission just has too much slop in park. Most of the time it never wants to stay in reverse, it will just fall into neutral, when I get that to go away it then it barely goes in 1st gear! I'm sure I'll get it eventually I need another rod but I couldn't find one at TSC so I'll have to look around!
     

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