wow....that's still one cranky ****er.....especially if wrapped in a light HA/GR...... Congrats, that looks like it's going to be a fun ride....certainly lifting the bar. Cheers, Drewfus
Thats great RON it should light those 6 inch tires right up the cheese just got a little more binding
Yay . Course I just yesterday saw a Jimmy in a streamliner with mechanical injection and a Mag, but that would be cheating in HAGR.
Thanks guys! After all the "one step forward then 3 steps back" on this engine it was rewarding to have it bark a little but not bite me in the *** and spit parts at me. Hell, even my roller rockers held their lash after 14 pulls on the pump. Banjo, I was hoping for 350 HP so it WOULD equal 2 good flathead Fords. I still think the flathead is the best looking engine ever made, followed closely by the Offy. I built the Jimmy because I've wanted to build a nice inline 4 or 6 for 20 years or more and this was the perfect opportunity (and excuse) to do it. We'll have the car at Mokan this weekend for "show & tell". My partners want to bring it down even though it isn't ready to race. Stop by and say "hello" Ron
Good numbers Ron, hopefully my ha/gr gmc engine will come close to that but i doubt it for sure. Our Bonneville flathead made 181 last year and our newest flathead is almost ready for the dyno and we are hoping for 210-220 on that engine. The guy down the street just pulled 300 hp with a blown flathead.
That thing should be good for high gear only, smoke 'em through the lights p***es. I'm hoping for about 1/3 that with my 218 flattie.
OUTSTANDING!!!!! And a befitting congratulations. Now if my own forutunes would just improve enough to get into the game. Hud
I did a little more "tweaking" today and got it to 347 HP @ 5500 but got tired of screwing with it and pulled it off the dyno and took it to my partners house so he could paint it. I know I'm over carburated so I'll build three of the smaller Rochesters this winter. I'm looking forward to meeting you guys this weekend at MoKan. Then I'll be able to put faces with the names. Just look for the good looking old guy. Ron
To put this into perspective, I raced a Scotty Fenn ch***is slingshot dragster with a 301 Chev in 1960. It had a LaSalle trans, 6 97's and a Howard cam. I figure it made maybe 300 to 310 HP and I was in the 10's and 130+ mph running on 100 octane Chevron gas. So with 347 HP on tap that HA/GR should be a real handful with 6 inch bias ply tires. Have you seen picture of Wild Willy Borsch in the Winged Express.Roy
I saw three or four blown altereds loose control at the Denton, TX 1/8th mile track last weekend. They were running big slicks but were just over-powered for the ch***is, track and or driver. Tracks expect that kind of action in those kind of cars, so it wasn't a big deal. The first time one of these home-made, non-certified, skinny, street-tired things gets sideways at half track, were all gonna get banned. Please put your bullet in a gun that can handle it.
THE RED BARON ran a11/58 113 mph with a 1.70 60 ft the other night it ALLEGEDLY HAS 368 HP the runs were made on 6 inch cokers and were downthe middle of the track .altough the the car is not certified it was built buy a fabricator with with many years experience in commercial /aircraft and street rod /dirt car work. In my opinon it is our place to montior the new cars being built , if we see something wrong we should call their attention to it.
You don't need a certified ch***is unless you go quicker than 9.99 sec. You are supposed to have a roll cage that meets the criteria established in the NHRA rulebook for FED or Altered, slower than 9.99. If someone slaps the wall or tips over in a car with a non-conforming roll cage, then some stuff could hit the fan. The builders & drivers of these cars are a very experienced bunch and I doubt they wll take unnecessary chances. If I build an HA/GR, it will have a cage that meets NHRA requirements. I'll try to hide it as best as I can to keep the old look. But, in order to run where I live, I have no choice. The car will closely resemble the HA/GR's in Oz, which I believe are very close to meeting NHRA requirements.
Yup, the Red Barron car is a superb car but it's not an HA/GR car. Built to look like one, but it's running high dollar modern equipment and an auto trans too.
How soon we forget. The Red Baron was built just like, and by the same person that built the car that won the FIRST HA/GR race at Mokan. It even has a legal transmission by the original rules as written at the formation of this cl*** and under which the races were conducted. There are only two ways to build any car these days. 1. Build it your self ( if you can do your own fab work). 2. Buy it and bolt it ( if plan 1. is not an option). Just because someone goes to plan 2. does not make him any better or worse than the person who went with plan 1. Please discribe - modern, high dollar equipment. I haven't seen but a single car that doesn't have that look alike look. How many ways can they be built. The owner of the car is one nice person who has done a lot for local racing in our series.
I read these comments several times to try to determine the thinking behind what was written. 348chevy: I agree with your comments and realize just how fast this car COULD be. However I'll be the crew chief and keep it under control. Wild Willy's style scares the hell out of me. Rand Man: Godzilla and I have both suggested, pleaded, almost begged to get the bias tire rule changed to a speed rated radial for safety reasons. I don't think the bias tires are safe even at 100 mph. I deleted the rest of my comments to you...I don't think you would have liked what I had to say. Mudflap: Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the Red Baron a flathead Ford? Ask 348chevy just how much power they make. He raced them in NHRA dragsters and they certainly don't make 368 HP. More like 168. bobw: Amen Time and again I've tried to explain why I built this engine and light weight ch***is.....so I won't go into that again. I'm no damn fool and have NO plans on running 130 + MPH, eventho it should do that. Nor will I allow the car to be driven that fast. I personally don't feel their safe at 100 MPH. Hell, if it makes everyone happy we won't even race against the other HA/GR cars. We'll just run it locally and have fun. Never have I told any of you how to build your cars. If someone wants to build a triple engine car capable of 200 MPH...I'd say go for it. I don't care what you build or your reasons for building it. THAT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS. I've offered help to any and all, and I'll help you go faster than our car will go if thats what you want. I'll tell you everything I put in this engine if you want to know. I don't care. I think the best thing I can do is forget this forum and play in another sandbox. Ron
Ron: The Red Baron is an oversized 302 GMC. The Flat Head your thinking of is the Okie Outlaw #OO, it's run in the high 11's. The last local race (8-8-08) it ran a 12.024 in BAD air @ 109.86.
I think the best thing I can do is forget this forum and play in another sandbox. Ron[/quote] Ron, Wrong answer ! You allowing a few the get your blood pressure up! Stay with the plan and get er down the track. Bubba
I agree with Bubba that you need to race the car. I think that the rules are there so the playing field can be as level as possible. This is going to be long. When I raced Super Stock in 1958 and 1959 the rules were that all things had to be factory except headers. You had to run the size tire that the factory put on the car. Don Nicholson was a friend of mine and he dyno tuned my car a couple of times. The cars were so equal that on any given day you could win. Don Nicholson told you all his secrets and then raced you on sunday and usually beat you. but all races were won by a 1/4 of a car length or less. HA/GR rules try to make things level. If you take a stock 6 cyl. from the 50's and put it in an HA/GR don't expect to turn any fast times or win if anyone shows up with a modified. I have seen Ron Goldens engine in pieces and there is nothing magic there. Some grinding done on the ports Hudson rods, not aluminum rods, stock crank, homemade 3 carb manifold, stock distributor and a remote oil filter. That's it. Nothing exorbitant and certainly within the rules. Racing is and always has been about competeing ones skills against another whether it is driving skills or engine skills. I got into this after the rule change about automatic transmissions so I don't know the history there. I do know that we want to play and play safe because it is supposed to be fun. When I raced 2B 5 times he beat me 4 but I won once and that was great to me. Let us see Ron run his car and save our judgements until we see how it runs. Remember that is on the dyno and dynos don't go down the track.Roy
I think the best thing I can do is forget this forum and play in another sandbox. Ron[/quote] Ron, Wrong answer ! You allowing a few the get your blood pressure up! Stay with the plan and get er down the track. Bubba[/quote] I'm with you on that Bubba. We all have opinions.......some more than others, but don't anyone let that influence your build or desire to run what you build. Everyone has a different idea of what they want and that is what makes this cl*** work and at the same time such a great challenge. Trying to get the best you can out of the least, or trying to take the bet of everything and make it connect and run straight and quick. Lets keep the individuality in the cl*** and remember it's supposed to be a run what ya built and have fun cl***. Personally, I'd love to see a few cars that could run high gear only and smoke the tires through the lights running along side of the lower powered cars banging gears and going for it.
Ron, if it's built within the rules, bring it, run it and run it hard. THAT'S ALL i HAVE TO SAY. Brad
Thanks to all of you for the support, and understanding. I'm not trying to show-off, I'm just happy with the results of my engine build and wanted to share with the group. I'm not a painter, an artist that can do murals on the car, or a great fabricator. What I am is a gearhead that tunes ignition and carb systems and a pretty good engine builder. If I was an artist I'd be showing you my art work instead of my dyno results. Ron
Ron, Your right, it's about fun. We here in Tulsa run our races on the "Big Dog- Porch Dog" program. Everbody runs every round. None of this one lose and you go on the trailer stuff. You win you stay in the Big Dogs, you loose you go to the Porch Dogs and still keep running until the winner of each cl*** (group or what ever) is determind by wins. We would like you, or any HA/GR, to come to Tulsa and run WITH us. If you need "references" on us talk to 2B-Bob, or 348chevy-Roy. They have run with us. Our next race will be Sept 12.
Ditt-f'ing-o! Never let anything dissuade you for any reason but reason itself. And never be the one to run, let the other fellow do that. It's easy enough, just have the faith of your convictions. Ron, I sure would enjoy seeing that thing torturing the asphalt one day.
Ron.. I kind of Ditto'd Randmans comment, Because I to am afraid of what might happen if one of these tires lets loose at a 110 plus speed..But as I was told once. "Thats all they had back then.So thats what we use"..But also back in the 50s (I was there) the engines did not produce the HP/TQ like we get out of engines today..My little altered runs in the early 8s @ over 150..Hell that is what the Nitro burners were turning then...My only concern is the safety factor. nothing else...So put that puppy together and lets see what it'll do..Maybe someday I'll be able to race you with my 198cu in/ 120hp screaming chev 6...lol..**** (aka) ThingyM
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