Technical Going to look at a 28 Model A Tudor tomorrow - any advice?

Was 780 kms round trip (488 mikes). Would hate to drive 700 miles for nothing. If this doesn’t work out, it usually means there is a better deal waiting = Coupe. Lol!

 

If it doesn't have a V8 don't buy it.

 

@Budget36 Good for you! Integrity counts and helping someone out is never wrong. Helping young people get into the hobby will help keep this addiction going.

 

Just another update. I really don’t want this thread turning into a pissing contest between me and the seller, so there will be no more posts from myself unless he returns my deposit. I’ve now asked for my $500 deposit to be returned tonight after he said he would call earlier today and didn’t. If he decides not to return my deposit tonight, I’ll be speaking with the police. He also mentioned selling some of his other vehicles here on the HAMB in the near future and asked me if I knew about the HAMB. I’m sure he’s on here.
Hey Greg, if you see this, do the right thing, and return my deposit.

 

Made from unobtainium

 

Fingers Crossed...

@Ziggster I must have you over and we'll take the Ole Hotrod out and you can spend a bit more time in it...

Coupes are tight...Sedans are more configurable...my interior arrangement is more limited as a Coupe...I suppose I could do more to gain an inch or two and would benefit from it but it's managable for me...but on long hauls I have to stop and break as it is not an ergonomic cruiser by any means...Hotrods weren't truly about comfort as that was added weight too...

But nowadays in a streetable Hotrod comfort certainly IS a consideration as many events are a ways away like the Jam-Up...

All that aside you may be able to Coupe it if configured well...the sedans you posted rock...

 

What was the deposit for ???
No mention of that previously in the story.

 

Why a deposit when someone else was ahead of you? It's getting to really sounding fishy. Seems as though the whole story hasn't been told

 

Just got my deposit back from Greg. Thanks Greg!

 

https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum...orrow-any-advice.1269895/page-2#post-14556137

...There is, albiet the amount was not mentioned, I think Ziggster was just making sure it was his if the 1st in line deal fell through...

 

Dealing with a Car Collector Mind . He is an Einstein on his own world next he gonna whip out all the extra parts probably in a basement or locked room

 

A 30 coupe without drivetrain is an ' A ' roller and if sheet metal is straight and it rolls 9nto a trailer complete and by the way he is operating you I would offer him 5000 and I would not go above 6 . You can always walk away and come back after you have looked at others . They going for up to 7500 here in Cal and I see real pretty old restorations complete drivable going for 13 to 15 . They aren't trophy cars but they are 100% real and drivable

 

Exactly. Greg told me to come see it last Sat one day BEFORE the Mustang buyer. Thought it was strange, but he told me upfront he would prefer to sell it to me. On Sat when I came down to see it he said chances were 95% he would sell it to me, but he would still let Mustang buyer come and have a look the following day. My receipt even mentions this, with July 24 as the date stated relating to the “deal” with the Mustang owner to be decided. Strange indeed, but then the 24 July date slips. He needs to drive to see the car. He sees the Mustang. Tells me again after seeing it that he really doesn’t want the Mustang, so he tells the Mustang owner he wants an additional $1K for the Tudor plus the Mustang, hoping Mustang owner will “bail”, and then he can sell it to me with a “clear conscience”. However, Mustang owner doesn’t bail, is not happy, but tells Greg he needs some time to think about the “new” deal. Greg now gives him to last Thursday morning “at the latest” to decide. Of course, Thursday morning comes and goes and don’t hear from Greg. I call at him at 1:00 pm. Greg says he hasn’t heard from him. Will now give him until 2:00 pm and then will let me know. Still don’t hear from Greg. By now, stupid me knows “95%” this is BS. Friday afternoon I tell him I want my deposit of $500 back. Greg replies Friday night saying he’ll return my deposit by Western Union. I’m thinking WTF since I gave him my email address. Tells me Saturday morning money will now be e-transfered. Didn’t get the e-transfer until 12 hrs later.
So lesson learned. Seemed like a nice guy. As I said, we talked for hours at his place. I’m not sure why this went south and if he planned it all along or maybe he just had cold feet. I can say I did sense his disappointment when I only made a $500 deposit. Maybe he hoped for more like a $1000 or more with his intent of keeping it and figured all this wasn’t worth the hassle for only $500. Looking back, I should have kept and reviewed his online name/profile used on kijiji as evidence if needed. Of course, ad was pulled once I suspected deal was going south. Even his receipt didn’t have his full name, just his initials. So now, I don’t have proof of the ad, I don’t have his full name, and I don’t have his address even though I was at his place.
I’m writing all this so others don’t fall into the same scheme. Walk away at the first sense of “that seems strange”.
On another note, I drove all day yesterday to see another Tudor with my eldest. Was supposed to be “rust free” as well. Same deal as Greg’s 28 Tudor - rebuilt engine, trans, diff, and brakes, etc. Greg was asking $9K, this 29 Tudor was listed for $10K. Seller seemed upfront as well. Said engine wasn’t orig, and he only had it a year and wanted something else. Looked nice, but as I poked around the body, I could see booger welds on the A pillar supports, then on the front subrails. So asked the owner if we could pull the floors and seats (there was no interior). I now see more booger welds on rear sub rails and cross member and at least 2 patches per side on the lower wheel arches. Also there is the dreaded rubber undercoating everywhere. Decide right then and there, no way. No comparison to what Greg had. His truly was 99% rust free.
Needless to say I’m disappointed with this seller as well. He pretended he had no idea about the rust repairs meanwhile he had a 38 Ford coupe, 70 Ford Ranger XLT, and other antique vehicles lying around his property - he definitely was a “car” guy. He could have been upfront and told me all this and saved me from driving 11 hrs (got home at 2 am this morning), but my daughter and I had a great time bonding and she had a chance to learn as well. At least now, I’m at little but more knowledgeable about Model A’s. Lol!

 

Thanks for the update. That is one strange story. It's hard to decipher what "Greg" really meant. I wonder if there even was a Mustang guy? You can probably find the address on Google Earth. Well, somewhere out there is an honest person waiting to sell you a good Model A.

 

Yeah, looked up his place on Google maps, but would not provide street view with address. Not sure as to why. Also, e-transfer was likely from his sister, definitely not from him as he mentioned to me he had help from his sister to do a previous e-transfer as he was not familiar with the process. All in all, just very very strange.

 

You may want to look in the ads in the Old Auto News paper , there is some A Models there. Another thought since you are tall , you may consider something like a 33/34 Tudor , one listed in old auto's will need some welding done but states all the parts are there , ownership with it & located in Fistroy Harbour just north of Ottawa. Well known in the area , I bought a project car from him , had no issues with the MTO when I put it in my name .... he had lots of cars & parts , not sure about A Models but might be worth a call to him.

 

All in all, I'd say it was a very good experience for you.......frustrating, but you learned a lot from it. What I have found is that when I didn't get something I thought I really wanted, I usually ended up with something much better later on.
I'd keep saving some money and put yourself in a position where you can not only buy a low priced car, but maybe find one slightly out of range and do a little bargaining. Often, a little more money buys a lot more car.
The sucide door thing is a big help for a taller person. I'm just 6', and a guy let me try on his 32 Ford "5 window" coupe. The door is very narrow and hard to get in/out. It also opens conventionally . Tried a 32 "3 window" with sucide doors .....I could just fall in and out of it.
A guy nearby has a 32 three window fiberglass car, and he changed the hinges on it so that it opens conventionally.......don't know why he did that or if it came that way. My point here is whether or not a conventional door could be converted to a suicide door........allowing easier entry for taller people.????
Good luck in your search.........

 

Glad you learned and acted to walk away it may take you awhile average is 6 months there's lots everywhere especially now

 

Yep. He showed me boxes of parts at his place. The Tudor car was down the road in someone else’s barn with some of the items strewn about. Initially thought it was his place. I say, I wish I had a barn like this, and then he says it’s not his place and we proceed to drive a few kms to his house. Another strange indicator. He definitely was a collector which made it all the more convincing. Had a 55 Chevy sedan (delivery) parked outside at his place. Said he painted it 25 yrs ago, and it was a friends car. When he passed, his widow sold it back to him. Had misc equipment outside next to an old pickup, inducing a massive gas powered air compressor. Inside a makeshift structure on his property, he had a freshly rebuilt 69 Chevy 302 motor on a stand. Even had me read out the casting numbers so he could show me on his phone it was legit. Did the same to another 302 block lying next to the first. Said he had 10 such motors. Behind his house was a 64 Ford Falcon with an early 70s’ paint job with beautiful pin striping and gold flake paint on the roof. Had period era flames on the hood. The lower quarters had been cut. I sent him the name of a custom metal shop in Montreal where I had them make parts for my 79 IH Traveler. Tell him to speak to owner and to tell the owner I sent him. The shop specialized in making quarter panels from scratch. In another makeshift structure he had an 90s era S10 with a bower sitting on the 4.3. Days later he says he had 12 more cars. Many were 70 muscle cars, Olds 442, Pontiac GTO, another 29 Tudor, a Coupe, etc. No idea where the truth ended and the lies began.

 

I'm glad this worked out for you Ziggster, and he didn't abscond your funds. He was probably
selling someone else's goods anyway. Good luck with your search and keep us posted......

 

If you saw a tow truck around the area then none of it's true but I'll give the guy some credit up to about a quarter to a third truth it's as the stories progress he is trying to keep your interest . Grandiose behavior uncontrolled .
Car Collectors !!! We all love attention !! But don't tell anyone

 

Realistically now you see what you attract with 10k . Take a long moment and save 3500 more and you will find serious and realistic deals . With 13500 you can get a 17k car

 

Sounds like our local "guru" who has since passed. Full of BS until he stroked out and asked his formerly estranged son who he stole a building from to take him to the ER. 90% of the shit out of his mouth was lies the other 30% was stolen valor of sorts

 

Agree. Have had my boat, IH Traveler, and another vehicle up for sale. If I sell all three, I could set aside $20K for something. Selling all that is a another story for another time and place. Spent the best part of today dealing with folks who just want more “pics” then just disappear. Lol!

 

Be patient can you make it to Pennsylvania/Conneticutt area ? Here on the west coast a nice A Rod for 20k but fenderless let me see if I can send a picture of one at Pomona two months ago just as a 20k example for comparison . Some fun and very drivable though to small for the family and is why I'm also doing a Tudor at the moment .

 

Back in the 90's was his storage and I guess living quarters on the N or N.E. side of Rapid. I can't remember the guys name but he was a real BSer with a shitload of rods and was known for screwing people.
Or is this the guy with the lot and museum using primer over all the rust. I was warned about him back in the mid 90's

 

I'd keep an eye on the account that the deposit was refunded to, some of these guys are real smart and can use that to backdoor your account, then deplete your funds.
Hopefully it's nothing and good luck not running into anyone similar in the future.

 

I’ll keep looking for sure. I want something that I can get safetied and on the road whether it be an all (almost) original or maybe a partial build that needs only some assembly. Definitely not looking for major ground up type stuff and definitely no body work I’ll be heading to Jalopy Jam Up later this month, and will hit a few more shows and cruise nights to see what might be for sale. I’m guessing lots will be coming up for sale as interest rates keep rising.

 

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