Good News! Cash for Clunkers bill

Now if we could just get one for his mouth.

 

Ha Ha, cow farts! It's bad when it comes to that.

Look, I'm not for just pumping whatever into the air. I light a match after I drop the kids off, every damn time. Call me an environmentalist! If they really wanted the clunker problem to be solved, it would focus on better filtration systems, not getting rid of the cars. If it were based in true concern for not adding crud to the air, whether or not you believe it's bad, there wouldn't be scores of carbon credit companies and "green" businesses lining up for the handouts and contracts. True benefit for society, should be primarily a selfless endeavour. Tax credits aren't given without someone paying for it...as a "producer" that would be me.

 

wow! By day, a tree huggin', tofu eatin' penny loafer & purple bellbottom wearin pencil necked geek,
and by night,
a blown hemi powered, fuel burnin, exhaust spewin ,ozone destroyin hellraiser!
yeah baby!

 

Simple fact of the matter is that the feds have no business even talking about stuff like this, let alone enacting legislation which is not specifically enumerated in the Constitution, Period. This is why a number of states are re-asserting their soveriengty. Next step, susession.

 

I assume you mean Secession. Secession is another word for cutting and running. It is also treasonous. Maybe you spelled that wrong on purpose. Regardless, hey if that is how much you really think of the Constitution of the United States of America and the flag that stands for it, I guess that is your right under it. Pretty low in my book though. I hope and can only imagine you really have better respect for this country than that.

By the way, guys, all the name calling and tough talking is fun, but reality is I am not really even that left leaning personally. I am a life long registered independent and that is how I vote and I do bother to actually vote, thanks. I am perfectly happy to nail the left for dumb crap just as much as the right. I hate paying taxes as much as anyone, but at the same time realize it takes taxes to support this country. I am actually against most the bailout stuff and really wish they had not done it. But, I have to admit, I don't understand the full magnitude of the problem and don't have a better answer to the situation. I also doubt doing nothing is the best approach. In fact, I am pretty sure it is probably the worst.

But, one fact remains, I am proud of what I am, proud of this country, proud of what it has done for me, proud of where I live and willing to bust my ass to do what it takes to try to fix what is wrong with it if needed. I don't whine and cry when I don't get my way and I sure as hell don't cut and run (note right wing talking point I picked up off of Fox news). I am pretty sure our current situation has a lot to do with the last 8 years for damn sure and even the last 10, 15, 30 years of total f'd up mismanagement of this country from top to bottom, left to right.

Obama hasn't been in office long enough to do much or see what the effects will be whether you agree with that or not. Clinton sucked about as much as the 2 nimrod Bushes that bookmarked him, but at least he didn't leave a giant pile of garbage to clean up when he left. In fact, he left a few extra bucks in the bank. As irritating as he was at times, I at least have to give him credit with leaving things better than the way he found them. Man, looking back, 2000 sure does seem like the good old days compared to this post GWB nightmare we are dealing with now.

This crap didn't just appear since Jan. '09. and it isn't going to be fixed over night and not going to be easy or cheap. I'm planning to stick around to try to bring it back. If you can't take the heat and don't want to help clean up the mess that we have, well, I guess cut and run then.

Ok, that's it for me. I can't believe this has gone on this long and that I let myself get dragged along. Carry on if you wish, call me names, make playground jokes about Berkeley, cut and run, whatever - I am back to work and got a lot of other stuff to do. I am getting back to the rules which I should have done from the beginning - no politics. Done, and I mean done.

 

Wow. Not that Bush was a great guy but why does everyone forget the Democrats were in charge of the Senate and Congress for two years before Obama was elected? He couldn't sign all that stupid shit without rectal polyps like Pelosi, Reed, Frank and Dodd voting for it first. If you're going to blame someone for that mess, blame all the assholes that are responsible for it. For those who care it's easy to find out who caused the housing bubble that led to this economic mess. Come on.


The fact is I don't blame states for wanting to seceed at this point. It's not that they're leaving America, it's that America has left them.

And it is a little ... I dunno, hypocritical? to criticize people for wanting to cut and run, then cutting and running yourself.


Anyways like I said earlier this BS has a ways to go before it becomes law, and unless the credit becomes about $15,000 per car it's not going to help 90% of the people it's targeted at anyways.

 

stude please don't be done.. it's exactly this form of discussion/dissention that our for-fathers faught for.. you have posted very educated views and though i may not agree with many of them by god i would give my life to defend your right to state them.. this is a concept that is lost to many but we also must remember that Secession and Dissention was the prelude to the birth of this very nation.. And i for one have no problem with my tax dollars going to help Detroit... I would much rather them go to Detroit than go to help make road signs in Espanol.. Detroit made this nation great and i think(and i hope some will at least agree) we owe them a debt of gratitude.. Yes they are businesses.. I just hope that they all survive this.. this economy has been tough on all(this recession hit in the fall/winter when many companies slow down and i work in a timber industry that is totally dependant on housing starts and takes it in the ass for the fall/winter months even when times are good) and i don't blame the government at all for trying to find solutions but the solutions they are coming up with are proof that most of them are far far away from the common people.. so in the end it is our fault, Aye I said it, OUR FAULT.. Remember my hot rodding brothers, a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. If we do not show up in force to our elected representitives to voice our opinions they will be brushed under the rug..

So Stude.. keep voicing your opinion for gods sake and we may just hammer out whether or not this bill ACTUALLY affects traditional hot rods..

 

OK, I tried to crack a couple of jokes about this mess before, but here's the bottom line as I see it. Once you let the FEDS get their foot in the door, no one and I mean NO ONE, knows where it will end. I can even envision goose-stepping enviro- cops at my door with the oh so correct paperwork to confiscate and destroy my modified vehicle. Maybe paranoia does strike deep, but sorry folks, I do not trust the government!

 

They f**ked that up!

"must get 18 miles per gallon, or less, in combined city and highway driving" What the hell does that mean?

How many cars actually fit into this category, trucks for the most part, and it is very likely that if you are trading in an old truck you will get a new one.
(do you think there is any coincidence that the automakers make more money on trucks)

I drive newer vehicles that wouldn't qualify. The proposed law doesn't allow me to buy an old clunker to trade it in.

If it did I'm ready to buy a new car now.

This is just another case of welfare for both the people who couldn't afford to by a new car and the auto company's.

I for one am tired of seeing all of my tax money being spent on people who pay the least amount of taxes.

Gary

 

my pleasure