Technical Good RPM’s for motor driven bead roller?

I’m a sucker for a discount with free shipping, so need to plan ahead.
I’ve an AC gear reduction motor, but it will bee too fast as-is. So I’ll make up a jack shaft assembly, gear it down even more.
This won’t be variable speed, so looking for what speed to run the roller at. Too slow is better than too fast for me.
Thanks.

 

I'm no help there as I just bought an Eastwood drive motor setup for my Eastwood bead roller that I have had for several years. 299.97 is a lot of hot rod kitty money but figured by the time I bought a motor, switch, gear sets, wiring pieces and controls and put it all together I'd have close to that in it.

 

Yes, I get ya, I have a motor on hand, so just need the final drive slower.
How much slower? is the 64$ question

 

I dont know the answer of how slow exactly but I suspect that having no adjustment is a mistake. AC servo motors are variable, powerful, reversible, and fairly inexpensive. Some are sold ats replacements for sewing machine clutch motors on the grounds of reduced power consumption alone!

Chris

 

Non variable speed is going to be a pain in the ass. When doing corners (especially sharp ones)you want it to move at almost a crawl and you will want to hang yourself if you are doing long passes at that speed.

 

I set mine up with a direct drive at 7 rpms a minute. Thought it would be too slow but honestly it's about perfect.

I just bought a daytona gear motor off of ebay for 35.00, a coupler for like 25.00. Added a foot pedal off of a sewing machine for 5.00 from the local salvation army thrift store and I was good to go.

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Well, I can add that, not an issue. I have a control box for an AC motor that I don’t use.
It’s only 35 years old, what could go wrong?

 

I used a riding lawnmower transmission, 3 forward one reverse . Chain driven with an electric garage door motor . All connected using a foot pedal that has forward and reverse.
Real real slow for tricky beads and normal for short straight beads . Surplus Center had all the parts minus the lawn mower transmission. That was someones trash .

 

Do you handle turns and radius okay?

 

My floor panels are in pieces, roughly 2x2 square, not the width of the cab.

 

@Budget36
I've just played around with it at this point and had no problems, but that's why I added the sewing machine foot pedal, it gives me variable speed.

I control the speed with the floor pedal. With it at 7 rpm's at full throttle I can really slow it down with the pedal..

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You need to be able to vary the speed as you use it on the fly like with a foot pedal so you can still guide the material while you adjust the speed. Now if you are running a few straight lines on floor pans then it won't matter but if you are trying to do something more involved doing it without instant speed control will not be a lot of fun.

 

Mike,
Just use a cheap Harbor Freight ATV winch [12v with battery and charger]

 

I bet I have one here somewhere. No, but do have a few HF winches. Again, sucker for a deal.

 

Ratio 6.7 RPM, gears are 1 to 1 at both ends. Create a reverser & foot feed, you'll love it!

 

I powered mine with a HF reversible drill, starter drive gear and a flexplate. I mounted the drill switch in a foot pedal.

 

A Buddy of mine had a bead roller that was originally used in the Freightliner plant to put beads on body panels. I used it to put some beads in floor boards I built. I think it had a Ford starter motor for power and a foot switch. It was setup for production and it ran very fast. If anyone has ever used a commercial sewing machine you get an idea of how fast production machines run. You got good as just tapping the foot switch and making the beads in small increments.

 

You can always camp outside HF on Xmas evening for the Boxing Day sale

 

@gary macdonald ,Got any pictures of that?

 

Would this 7 to 1 reducer work?

 

That’s a beast! Have to see the output of my reduction motor is.

 

I can take some tomorrow.

 

Too big ( heavy duty )in my opinion.

 

@alanp561 , I called the place I mentioned, they brought up another idea. gears. They have an assortment of sets, different varieties of tooth cut, diameters, etc.
30-50 a set.

 

I can see you like to save a penny BUT there's a guy on the HAMB in the classifieds that was selling this combo, foot feed, motor, switch, reverser, I love it!

 

What is the speed of the motor that you have ? That will dictate how much you have to do to get it geared down.

I'd say thats a pretty good reccomendation. Getting there may be a little harder to accomplish. I made this one using a reduction drive motor and still had to gear it a lot further. Notice the shaft driving the sprockets. This turned into a much more time consuming project than I imagined.

 

I need to verify the output RPMs. It’s a gear reduction motor, can’t recall if 5-1 or what it was. Then have to dig it out!

I plan to make a stand for it and the motor. Put a gear set on the roller and motor. Also thinking of a slide-able fence to assist.
Say 1750 rpms, 5-1 reduction and 10-1 gear set. Puts me around 40 RPMs.
Foot controlled frequency and with the gear reductions, would still have enough “poop” when slowed down.
Both pickup cabs I want to do, will have carpet in them, so perfection isn’t needed.

 

Thats a piece of art compared to mine! And a Linda Lovelace deep throat is a plus!

 

. Going to head to the shop in a bit, send you a pic/info.

 

Power feed for a mill ?

You could move the speed to a foot pedal. They come with different size ends to replace crank handles. The reverse is mechanical, the limit switches are free for another project. @brigrat 's Dayton above is ~7 rpm & 162 in/lb. These are 0-200 rpm & 450 in/lb. A million to choose from, starting around $120. Mike