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Oh SO an opinion is not something we should all have?
You think you're right-[I think Im right], in saying this will be appreciated by the majority of people who would NOT park in that area more than the ones who do.
You can sugar coat it all you want but at***udes are what has made our end of the automotive movement what it is.
I dont work for them so I can say what I like. although I do not believe it will work out well in the end results -I do wish you good luck in your latest venture Jim.

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Does anyone else understand this? Trying to do something cool for my friends and the owners of the cars I have been into my entire life is now some sort of evil plot? Offering free p***es is some kind of mind control that will not allow you to be a total *** to people YOU deemed as chainers? I wish YOU the best of luck in your theropy seesions and hope you contine to enjoy the car events you attend as the SOLE attendee. Looking forward to ruining anybodies day (chainer or not) is not my idea of fun, bu to each their own- party on ROCK STAR- hope it made you feel better. We actually thought more people might have a problem with this and the ones who supported it would be the quiet ones who just show up and have a great time. If only one person has a problem with this GREAT! If you change your mind I'll save you a really good spot. Thank you all who get that all the extra work, planning and effort is actually to show you a better time, NOT keep you away from the "nice" cars, because to us these are the nice cars. In fact I felt kinda bad ****ng in the last GARAGE GROWN area because my car is not low enough. If I spent less time organizing fun thing for traditional fans and more time on my A maybe I could have gotten it dumped, oh well- ever party has a pooper!

 

Well I hope you are right Jim ,I am often wrong-But I hope for the participants sake this is a step forward.[I do wish you good luck].

 

Ryan is always wondering when he can declare that the HAMB has "made it". I think this is evidence supporting the affirmation that it/we have. GG is a big deal, and NSRA hates Ryan so...

JimA,
KUDOS...I never saw this coming but it makes all the sense in the world. Hopefully the tradional car crowd can be appreciated by spectaters for what it is. And a guy who has sweat and bled on his own car doesn't have to park it next to a guy with unlimited budget (unless he really wanted to).

Granted there are a hundred variations on what is trad, and even rich guys can build a trad rod, but this just proves that there is a conscious line that separates the two ends of the spectrum, good or bad it's there.

The only thing I hope is that it doesn't bring another huge influx of members to the HAMB. It is hard to follow as is. I am a member of about five different message boards and this one is far and away the fastest moving.

If the GG Des Moines has a Garage Grown section I'll run the beer tent..... Expect a gross loss, he he.

 

This should not open the flood gates of unwanted pedestrians to the HAMB because there is no reverse promotion. HAMBers will know about GARAGE GROWN (hopefully), but GARAGE GROWN won't be pimping the HAMB (I'm sure that's how everyone would want it). I've said it before and I will reiterate now that I was on the HAMB long before joining Goodguys and I have brought my love of it and traditional cars with me. I am so happy to see HAMBers and HAMB shirts at the Goodguys events but I'm not trying to dirty up the HAMB with SPAM. This a deal that HAMBers and all trad fans can enjoy, but I'm certainly not twisting any arms to be there. The vehicle here is to go to the Goodguys event for FREE and make a donation to the HAMB at the same time. I don't see anything GREEDY in that and am surprised that so far there's only one taker when we had over sixty cars in the GARAGE GROWN area. Half of those paid and the other half were guys invited and given the red carpet for FREE. We can keep this going indefinitely but YOU are going to have to come. We'll do everything we can to make it happen.

 

so is it actually embracing /accepting these cars... or is it motivated more by money, yes i know money go to ryan, this i understand....(still need to become a member though) seems kinda PR ???....you know the old guys die off.... no young people buildin fluff-mobiles...so cater to the next big thing to make money??? i understand its good business...i guess motivation is not really a factor... but it would be nice to know if the big guy was like "i really like these cars, i cant get enough ...lets try to get them at our events" ..

ive never felt all that comfortable at a west coast gg event, its just a differnt group of people... segrigation in hotrod events might not nessarly be so bad.......

.no matter what the majority of goodguys participants dont understand our type of cars and for the most part see us as trouble.....'' here come all the hoodlums with the rust and loud exhaust ....oh my god are those spindle mounts!!!!.....danger .danger!!! im not sure much has changed since jake painted that tub at pleasenton???

i go to a few car events but everytime i really think about it.. it seems silly .......you pay to bring your car to show other people and hang around friends you have known for awhile insted of just hang out with them at a shop or garage...does it seem strange to anyone else???..maybe its just me.....

 

Cali is a LONG drive from here and I am knee deep in other peoples' cars right now. I wish I could make it out there. You'll have my support if this comes to Des Moines - though Iowa isn't exactly spilling over with HAMBers (I count four). Maybe you could get a good following of those ***s from Wisconsin and beyond.....

I am crossing my fingers. I hope this takes off for you. I have usually had your back as far as this board and the opinions that get thrown your way. It can't be easy to be in your shoes, ya ****in greedy *******....(please note sarcasm).

 

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so is it actually embracing /accepting these cars... or is it motivated more by money, yes i know money go to ryan, this i understand....(still need to become a member though)

ive never felt all that comfortable at a west coast gg event, its just a differnt group of people... segrigation in hotrod events might not nessarly be so bad.......

.no matter what the majority of goodguys participants dont understand our type of cars and for the most part see us as trouble.....'' here come all the hoodlums with the rust and loud exhaust ....oh my god are those spindle mounts!!!!.....danger .danger!!! im not sure much has changed since jake painted that tub at pleasenton???

i go to a few car events but everytime i really think about it.. it seems silly .......you pay to bring your car to show other people and hang around friends you have known for awhile insted of just hang out with them at a shop or garage...does it seem strange to anyone else???..maybe its just me.....

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It's all in how you percieve it. YES- events AREN'T for everyone, but as long as I work for Goodguys I'm gonna make the people and cars I am frienmdly with feel welcome.

NO you DO NOT have to be a Goodguys member to attend an event. Membership gets you the magazine I work on and discounts on event entries, but not required to attend the events.

If the last event you attended was when Jake painted his tub you've missed a lot. I don't see anyone making fun of cars any more than you would see at the corner cruise of even a "rat rod" type event.

There is no "hidden agenda"- if this isn't your deal don't worry about attending, but to the hundreds of traditial rodders who do attend and have a good time this is our thank you. If I worked anywhere else I'd still be doing the same thing and liking the same cars.

Yep, car events cost monmey to attend because they cost money to produce- ask KIRK! or anyone that's run their own deal. Cost me $106.00 to take my family to see Shreck II last weekend, I could sit & complain that "TV IS FREE!", but to be entertained costs money.

 

well here it is I am gonna cave in and give you a attaboy and say that maybe Gary has a chance at redemtion after all now if he has burnout contests a after dark concert with dancing girls he will have american entertainment mastered you and kirk really put some polish on a dead horse good work

 

This seems like a good idea. Here's hoping that all goes well.

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How traditional does a Garage Grown ride need to be? Obviously we can keep out the 39-inch billet rims and digital gauges, but are radials allowed? Alternators? Disc brakes? Center-bolt heads on a SBC (even with finned valve covers)? Where does the line get drawn? There are going to be some gray areas, so who decides whether my car or yours gets in?

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Although most of us don't like rules, at some point there will have to be a line drawn between what's allowed and what isn't, in order to keep Garage Grown pure and on focus.



Could George Poteet park his Deuce five-window there? I vote yes.

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Salt Lake is only 150 miles from me. That's just down the street in our terms. I've gone that far just to hear Stevie Nicks sing after the Jack Daniels starts kickin' in.

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I saw her in a video once, and she had the stage presence of a drug addict's corpse.

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Ryan is always wondering when he can declare that the HAMB has "made it".

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Actually, that's already happened, twice. The first time was when I added a link to this site from mine, and the second time was when I made my first post here.

Dave Mann
Retrobilly Warehouse
"The Poser's Friend"
http://www.roadsters.com/

 

JimA and Kirk,
What a great idea this is. Thanks for your support for our type of cars. When I went to GGs events (and even got a trophy) in my shiny 32 5W I didn't feel out of place and was treated like "one of the guys" by most. And although most of the cars there didn't turn me on, there were still enough cool cars there to make it worth while going. When I take my primered (unfinished to some) 37 I get treated a little different by the street rod types. Kinda like I am invading their turf. Now I could give a rat's *** who likes me and my 37 but I still want to hang around guys and cars I like. I think we all do. This will give us that opportunity at the GGs events and I think that's great.

BTW Kirk I can't wait for Billetproof Michigan. I hope it's a success.

 

Thanks guys for giving us a place to hang out together at this event. I think this is a great idea, it gives us an opportunity to meet people who have the same likes as us.
I am looking forward to making the Columbus ohio show.
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Well, I say to that, the more the merrier.
I would love to have this place so packed and busy with technical questions and posts that I couldn't keep up.
This place is better than any car magazine ever created.
Looking forward to meeting alot of Hambers in Columbus!

 

JimA, I just saw your post and would like to offer my ***istance at Indy in any way possible. While I won't be driving my '48 Caddy convert to Indy from my home in upstate NY, I will be driving my '63 Polara 500 convert. I just like its road manners-as does my wife. We'll be there on Thursday and plan to leave sometime Sunday afternoon. We are supporting my friend Steve who is bringing his Bantom-bodied race car to tear up the strip. So, anything I can do to help, count me in. Ohhhh, before I forget-I think that you and the entire GG's team are doing a great job. While you can't please everyone all the time, you certainly please me most of the time. Rock on, JimA!

 

Like I said before I'm very pleased with the overwhelming postive response to this.

I'll let you all in on a little secret. The upper management doesn't even know about this deal yet. Jim and I talk cars all day at work. He mentioned the HAMB related idea to me and I said to go for it and I'll work out the details of the p***es. This is for OUR (Jim and mine) benefit really. We want to be able to see more of the cars closer to our hearts and hang out with more like-minded people at the events we have to spend tons of our weekends at. That is the only selfish thing going on here. That's the premise behind Garage Grown as a whole. I have a big love for our type of cars and just want to see more of them. I also believe that our area of the hobby will just get stronger and push boundaries as more people get involved. There has never been a conversation here about this leading to more money believe it or not.

Anyway, I'm just rambling now. Just be aware that this is something Jim and I are doing because of our obsessions not to pad Goodguy's bottom line.

Rock on fellers!!

 

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But then a question rears its ugly head: How traditional does a Grarge Grown ride need to be? Obviously we can keep out the 39-inch billet rims & digital gauges, but... Are radials allowed? Alternators? Disc Brakes? Centerbolt heads on a SBC? (even with finned valve covers!?) Where does the line get drawn? There are going to be some gray areas, so who decides whether my car or yours gets in?

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I'm still wondering the same questions that Slide had.

 

This is not a "HARD LINE" no billet, no chainer deal as it is called "GARAGE GROWN- Retro Rods & Kool Kustoms". Garage Grown really means that you built it yourself with the means available, that might mean you have an alternator or a late model small-block, but nobody is going to be rating whether or not a car is "traditional enough" to be in the area. There will be obvious persuading when it's obvious a car does not fit the vibe, but if a guy feels his billet & tweed mobile NEEDS to be in the GARAGE GROWN area because it has black prime & red wheels were not going to go NAZI on them and tell them NO WAY! Same deal with BILLETPROOF & Paso- feel free to park where you want, but don't expect any of the awards or to feel a warm welcome from the others in the area.

All this worrying about what might be WRONG with the area is not what it's about- It's about having fun. There's NO WAY to have the PERFECT traditional area with NO PARTS on cars made after 1962. If that were the case it might have one or two cars in the area. Like I said before, if this doesn't feel like your kind of deal DON'T COME, very simple. But worrying about the proper level of "traditional" being maintained is ridiculous because I haven't seen a ton of what I would call PURE & PERFECT TRAD at events or magazines. Just have fun, you know what's right and so do MOST of the people who will be a part of the GARAGE GROWN area.

 

Right on Jim. Its all about (the look) and having fun.
If it looks like something we here would be interested in looking at going 65 mph down the highway. Then I say bring it on in and have fun! Lets not tear them all apart..

 

JimA- good answer! Count me in if yall do this in Ft. Worth. I enjoy GG events anyway (I don't have to look at the cars I don't like, but there are plenty that I DO like!), and I see this as a way to make them that much better!

We see a lot of segregation within our hobby/lifestyle and within "events" anyway. The street rod chainers have their cliques, and the Tri-5 Chevys hang out a**** themselves. Then you have the cl***ic trucks people, etc. But then they are all pieces of the same "Old Car Pie". As it has been said, this will give like minds an opportunity to hang out with each other, and not have to walk 14 miles to find each other.

It will be interesting to see how all this goes over in the 2nd season of Garage Grown. The dudes that felt out-of-place this year won't return to Garage Grown, and the ones that do come back will further define it.

 

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BINGO- Exactly! Glad you get it.

And as mentioned about special areas, if it's a truck area, Tri-Five area or Muscle Car area there will be cars you love and others that will make walk in the opposite direction. Everyone has there own ideas about trad so there's NO WAY to make sure you are going to love EVERY car in the area. It's called DIVERSITY, let's have some fun!

 

No one has ever explained this to me.
When ever I go to a car show in my hotrod, I need to pull out my wallet.

The guy busting his *** and driving the car that draws crowds pays to get in? I am also a pilot, can you imagine charging the guy who owns a P-51 money to come to an air show..... that's funny.

Dont all the traditional guys know eachother in their given towns? How about having a BBQ at someone's house and skipping the special parking at fanny pack fest?

Paying to park the cars that draw a crowd is a strange idea to me.... traditional or not. but everyone does it. Jim, if you want Mustangs at your airshow you at least let them land for free.

Just a thought.

 

will this section also be at Puyallup?

if it is I'll be there...

wait a minute, I live in Puyallup,

I'll be HERE.

even if it means having the only car (cars?) in the roped off back corner

Paul

 

As far as the whole charging money issue goes I've gone in circles with people about this and Billetproof. It costs money to put on any event, car or airshow. Airshows are to entertain spectators who aren't pilots and don't have planes. Car show, for me, are about car owners and drivers hanging out and trading ideas etc. Yes the public does come into the equation. Billetproof did not charge spectators until last year. We never needed to. But the participant numbers dictated a move to a much more expensive venue that just the participant entries would not cover. What to do then? Do I just foot the bill so everyone can have a good time? Hell, I will when I win the lottery. That's a guarantee. Until then money has to be involved. There is a difference between a club BBQ and a car show. Even with the BBQ, who finds the place? Does it need to be rented? Who buys the food? Yes you can just get guys together and hang out but then you'll see the same 15 cars over and over every time. Both activities are fun, cool and necessary. If we only had one or the other we'd all be very bored. I do get your point of view but have realized the hard way what the reality of putting on a show is. But if you have a BBQ please make sure I'm invited. I'll bring plenty of food and booze...on me.

Garage Grown will be at pretty much every Goodguys event this year and since lots of people seem interested we'll keep you posted. But pretty much count on there being one at the neaxt event near you.

 

You could probably ask any promoter this question and they would be able to tell you the answer... guys who promote shows are on here... but basically the cost goes towards paying for the facilities, the support crew... and a WHOLE BUNCH MORE.

Gary Meadors told me last year that the Goodguys is the second largest organization of it's kind... with NASCAR being 1st (I believe).

Believe it or not, it costs a mess-o-cash to support and organization such as this... sure, Gary makes a lot of money at it... but he paid his dues... he's a self made millionaire... but since when are people put down for working their ***es off and making something of themselves?

Organizations such as Billetproof and VivaLosVegas... and WCC's Paso event all charge admission... I don't see people bagging on them.

Sam.

 

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Sorry I can't resist responding to this one! It's TOTALLY your choice to NOT come so feel free not to. I hope you and Don Orosco and Bruce Meyer have a lovely time hanging out over champagne brunch exchanging pleasantries over how correct you've completed your restorations of significant cars while you KEEP IT REAL!

 

count us out!
Tortured Souls c.c.

 

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Everyone should be doing this as often as possible. Things like club wrenching night and cruise nights are what fill the gaps between shows and keep it all going. I look forward to the Swanx club meeting every month and I'm not even in their club. It gets me motivated to hear what others have been doing to their rides.

 

Wedding or not, Family no matter, it MAY be possible for me to take a car. When is the cut off for pre-registration discount for Indy? (***uming I am too late for the first 10 HAMB donation) (how much is registration again?) I got the midwest shows mailer yesterday, but I didn't open it yet. (sorry)

 

Just want to say that I think Jim and Krik are doing a very cool thing here.

I know what it takes to put on the roundup and it's a tenth what it takes to do a GG show.

They're trying to make the show more ecessable to trad. home built low buck cars.

They're trying to open up the eyes of the regular atendees and show then how cool and well made some of these rides are.

If they don't get it so what, most of all they're trying to have fun and inviting y'all to have fun with them.

Thanks Jim and Kirk, hope it goes well and contiues at Fort Worth.

 

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Uh, the first time I met Bruce Meyer was at a Goodguys show five or six years ago... so I know he's a member.

As much as I like Gooch, and his cars... I too am beginning to sence that he's moved on to the upper esh-a-lawn. Famous car, "correct" parts... secret photos... I guess magazines like the Rodders Journal are great and all... in fact I live for 'em... but sheesh, when people act a certain way just to get in them... it kind of makes you go "Uh-hum".

Sam.

 

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I guess magazines like the Rodders Journal are great and all... in fact I live for 'em... but sheesh, when people act a certain way just to get in them... it kind of makes you go "Uh-hum".

Sam.

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I have a twenty page story in the new one, plus I'm mentioned in the first paragraph of the editorial. I didn't have to turn into a raging ***** to get in there (guess that's open to debate ) , but really just being yourself has WAYYY more mileage than copping an at***ude because you've "made it".

"I have a *****in' show plane and a historically significant hot rod- Luckily this hasn't changed me from being "just one of the guys" at the Country Club- what time do we tee-off Biff?"

 

OK, now that everyone has go their shots in DOES ANYONE want to make a donation to the HAMB and attend the Goodguys event for free? I'm not going to add any more to this post and waste any more space so if you are interested PM me. Thanks to the people who get it and I'm sorry to the people who feel differently. See you all this summer!