Harvey's Broiler Razed Illegally!!!!!!!!!!!!

The jerk got off pretty easy.
Kevin is correct in that there needs to be buyer of the property or it will be lost. Even if the current owner is challenged as to whether or not Harveys has historic signifigance, under California law if that owner pays for an outside unbiased firm to produce an Enviromental Impact Report, which is required under the California Enviromental Quality Act (1973), Harveys is very much in danger of being leveled. The mitigation in the eyes of a city council for such damage as Harveys has been through is rarely to have that structure rebuilt. A Council would almost always permit it to be demolished as they would see it and an eyesore under these conditions, a hazard, and a commercial property that is unable to produce sales tax revenues. Rarely have I ever seen it work in the favor of a damaged historic structure.
A buyer must be secured.
This joker clearly came up with the age-old notion of "its better to ask for foregiveness rather than ask for permission" when he decided to call in a demolition crew without securing a permit from the City.

 

Well put Doug,
We need everbodys help here if we are gonna pull this deal off. Think about what Doug says up there, The perp did get away with a soft conviction. There usually is no way to make many of the charges stick unless one was caught in the act, such as (L)Ardas Yanik was.That is why he is going to pay the $'s and do the CS.

He sheilded his face from the cameras as well as walked across the street & around the block almost back to the court house where his car was parked, He definitely is camera shy.

Can you believe that this guy actually cruised the Broiler after court to see his handywork? I was right behind him. I thought "This guy is like a serial killer"! And that's exactly what Gal Pal Pat said.

This is our car culture that we as a group are trying to save.
This isn't some fake joint that is a "Johnie's Come lately"
This is and always be Harvey's Broiler.
A Quote from Christos=present owner of the Broiler," I was naive to change the name,I should have kept it Harvey's"

Funny thing about that is that he didn't change the name. The Broiler had an interim owner between Harvey & Christos. Their last name was Johnson, hence the single N in the name.

Again, when Chris bought it, he could have changed it back.

To me, I will refer to it as Harvey's as many before me have always done. We cannot aford to lose any more Car Culture or else we won't have any place to take the cars that we build-create or buy.

CEQA does come into play here, but we as a group need to band together and save it. The owner needs an offer that he feels is fair as well a potential buyer.

We need plenty of support here, and that is where we as car enthusiasts can make a difference. This can involve all of this reader ship. Do what you can to help. Think about it as a Rod/Custom that is need of attention on the way to Paso or something, Pals band together and get it back on the road because they don't don't want their pal to miss out on the run.

Well Harvey's is a big Rod & Custom that is need of some pals.

Thanx.

 

do you have any idea what this "fair offer" might amount to?

 

Can't get him to quite pick this price????????
Originally it was listed at $2.5 mil,
after the kitchen and dining room was gutted Christos upped the price to $3.5,
after the Conservancy people landmarked it, Christos saw this as yet another opportunity and raised it to $4.5 mil, reportedly telling Adriene that a gutted restaurant gave people an even greater opportunity to "do anything they want with it."

Now it is rubble, who knows?

 

I agree with Kevins comparing this mission with helping a buddy get a rod up and going to get to a big event.
But it may be more, much more. This historic location isn't so much a "car" as it is an intitution and a gathering spot for thousands of rodders over the years. Its similiar to speed shops, drag strip or other locations that unknowingly became a meeting spot for bench racing, dating, friends meeting new friends, an occasional black eye, and memories for decades of rodders, custom drivers and the young at heart of all ages.
Harvey's Broiler became the location of choice for all that spoke the hot rod/custom language. It's location was in the dead center of Southern California hot-rod-mania. Its wasn't far from both of Big Daddy Roth's locations in South Gate and later in Maywood. It was close to the major speed shops such as Bell Auto Parts, Lions Drag Strip, Ascot Speedway, and the cities such as Bell, Lakewood, and the other communities which were the birthplace of many rodding styles and historic cars.
Harveys was the location for marriage proposals, first dates, last dates, police encounters, and the celebration of countless birthdays. Harveys was part of thousands of lives.
All major cities had a "hot spot" or the like, but only this Harveys had, just by chance, just happened to be right in the hub of SoCal hot rod heaven.
And all this at the time when our hobby was being defined...defined as how we see it today. These styles of the 50's and 60's are what we look to now for inspiration as we replicate the cars of this era.
I started going to Harveys with the Early Times after the club meetings in Paramount. I remember watching as names like Don Thelan, Dan Woods, Jim Jacobs, the Booth Brothers, and many more cruise into Harveys and stop the show with their cars.
Years later, with the Vintage Tin, we continued to go to Harveys. You always could expect to see something down-right outrageous there.
Its a tall order to expect that some deep-pocketed soul will step forward to rebuild and re-open Harveys, but one can only do what one can do.
The newspapers and television stations love this sort of public struggle. Being that the Ghost Cruise is on a Sunday, we can hope that all forms of media will be at the cruise. Hey, what could be more alluring than a half-damaged building, a bunch of hot rods and customs and the hand-wringing story about an owner who acted like a thug with no regard for history or even the law. This has all the trappings of a real "scene". There won't be anyone who would be sympathetic to this law-breaking owner.
Remember, it wasn't that many years ago that "they" were going to tear down Bob's Big Boy in Burbank. Bob's was saved after the media, the public and the historic minded folks cried foul.
It will be worth the effort on Sunday just to make the policy-makers aware that there are those who care.
Sorry for the rant...see you Sunday, at the Boiler!

 

Well said Mazzoma...Lets hope these efforts are not in vain... Meanwhile, the website has been updated agian and I have posted info on the Long Beach Ghost Cruise that will be taking place this Sunday concurrently with the Bob's Cruise. Check it out and I hope to see you there.

www.saveharveysbroiler.com

"All Roads lead to the Broiler"

 

Why not setup a bank account and a new PayPal, and put that on the site, in case folks want to donate? It could be used to eventually buy the Broiler. Maybe sign two pieces of paperwork and pop a $20 down at City Hall to get a non-profit going, name officers, and make it official?

A web site and place to donate via PayPal flashed about (expecially on TV, etc) would generate income, as well as if the the story made it through the news aggregators enough to pop up on MSN - billions of folks have MSN as their homepage - not really by choice, but because IT departments never touch the web browser's default home page when setting up new computers for companies.

Also, what about a brick walkway or wall? You know, one of those deals where you sell each brick to local companies for an ungodly fee that have their logo on 'em?

Another good place to pick up donations is to hit up your friendly neighborhood grocery store chains or national baseball/football teams, as well as local national auto parts stores & Wal-Marts (both the store and sitting out front with a coffee can at a table). Maybe a few gallon jugs on a few gas station counters would help, too. Maybe Goodguys could donate a portion of the profits from all the car shows on a given weekend to the broiler.

Just some thoughts. Heck, a bunch of this has probably already been done. These may not raise the whole amount, but they may get enough for a downpayment!

 

I wish I had the money.

http://www.powerball.com/

 

Maybe a few hot rods would be raffled off for money - hell, maybe somebody could talk Peterson into donating!

Talk about newsworthy...

 

Great ideas!

BTW- there is a donation button hooked into Paypal on the website at www.saveharveysbroiler.com

You have to scroll down a little, but it's there...

Thanks!

 

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Awesome!

As long as folks see it. Hell, if the T-Shirts all direct folks to the site, etc, then you're all good!

~Jason

 

Thanks everyone who is reading this and the previous posts. This is an ongoing issue and we will continue to do what it takes to bring the Broiler Back!
Hope to see you there @ the cruise.

 

This just in from the Downey Patriot!
Guys Here it is straight from the Destroyer of the Broilers Mouth!
Yanik says he wants to rebuild Harvey's Broiler

By Eric Pierce
DOWNEY--On January 7, Ardas Yanik drove by the local Home Depot on Firestone Boulevard, sought out three meandering day laborers, and paid them &#8220;a couple thousands dollars&#8221; to get behind the wheel of a rented bulldozer and raze Johnie&#8217;s Broiler.

The demolition had been planned for some time.

In an exclusive interview with The Downey Patriot, Yanik admitted to the charges, but claimed the demolition was done with knowledge and blessing of property owner Christos Smyrniotis.

The interview was conducted last Friday at the dusty remains of Johnie&#8217;s Broiler, now mostly a pile of rubble cordoned off by a chain-link fence at Firestone Boulevard and Old River School Road.

&#8220;(Christos) lied to us. He lied to everybody,&#8221; Yanik, who was subleasing the property to a used car dealership, said. &#8220;He was here the morning of the demolition to collect the rent. He and his brother were here for three hours.

&#8220;I have the receipt to prove it.&#8221;

Yanik pleaded &#8220;no contest&#8221; three weeks ago to charges stemming from the demolition. He received three years probation, fined upwards of $10,000, and ordered to complete 15 days of work with Caltrans.

He&#8217;s due back in court Dec. 12 where details of his probation are expected to be hashed out. the diner and redevelop the property.

&#8220;He said OK,&#8221; Yanik claimed. &#8220;He said he would knock it down if I didn&#8217;t do it. He orchestrated the destruction.&#8221;

Smyrniotis did not return calls for comment. In previous interviews, he denied having prior knowledge of the demolition.

The City of Downey Planning Department received an application to tear down Johnie&#8217;s Broiler last November, but it was denied because it lacked an environmental impact report. The application has a signature ostensibly signed by Smyrniotis.

Yanik had that paperwork in hand, he said, when Downey police officers rolled up to Johnie&#8217;s Broiler on the Sunday afternoon to stop the demolition.

&#8220;I showed them the paperwork and the police didn&#8217;t know what to do,&#8221; Yanik said. &#8220;They left for three hours so I went home. What was I supposed to do?&#8221;

Yanik said he told investigators about Smyrniotis&#8217;s alleged role in the demolition, but was told they lacked enough evidence to charge him.

&#8220;This place is history, and I apologize,&#8221; Yanik said. &#8220;I made a mistake. I trusted a dirty old man. I&#8217;m really sorry. But I want to give back to the community.&#8221;

By &#8220;giving back to the community,&#8221; Yanik said he wants to help rebuild the historic diner, and will match &#8211; dollar-for-dollar &#8211; any contributions made to a trust for its restoration.

&#8220;And I don&#8217;t want to make any profit off of it,&#8221; Yanik said. &#8220;I&#8217;m willing to do it. You can put it in writing &#8211; I won&#8217;t touch the money. I&#8217;ll donate the funds to Children&#8217;s Hospital, schools and charities. I won&#8217;t make a penny.&#8221;

Yanik, who said he manages other properties in Downey, estimated the lot could sell for $2.5 to $3 million. But he recommended the City Council try acquiring the property themselves, possibly through eminent domain.

&#8220;If those elected people push, they could get this restaurant back,&#8221; Yanik said, motioning to the wreckage. &#8220;Look at it. When the moratorium is over in January, they could try to get it back.&#8221;

When asked if he had the financial means to really match a restoration fund dollar-for-dollar, Yanik said he did.

&#8220;Do not underestimate me,&#8221; he said.

Yanik also said he has been in discussions with a company willing to pay $15,000 to $20,000 per month for the rights to place an LCD sign (similar to the one at Downey Theatre) at the diner.

&#8220;That will pay for the operating costs,&#8221; Yanik said.

But Yanik said he will only try to save the diner if the name is changed back to its original moniker, Harvey&#8217;s Broiler. And the city of Downey and Smyrniotis mustn&#8217;t profit from it.

&#8220;I don&#8217;t want the city or the owner getting anything,&#8221; a heated Yanik said.

Looking over the debris left over from the demolition, Yanik said the restaurant could be restored.

&#8220;The frame is still good,&#8221; he said. &#8220;The sign is still there. If we all work together, we can build (Harvey's Broiler) back up

So there you have it guys, We seriously need YOUR help! and if this guy will match us $ for $ The coalition will atempt to achieve this goal, but we can't do it w/o you guys or your help!

Thank you to all that have helped previously,most importantly our raffle prize sponsors.! You are the best!

 

Damn I dont know what to think..whats your take on this CK???

 

hot damn!

but I am confused. Yanik holds the lease, but the other guys owns the property. Yanik wants the city to declare eminent domain, but doesn't want the city to profit? He will match the money to rebuild, but was responsible for having it torn down.

 

So long as the Downtown Historic District, off Orange Avenue and similar areas (Boone Highschool I believe) aren't touched. Brick roads, 4 way round-abouts, early model homes, I could drive through that area for hours. I love the feeling of brick roads for some reason.

 

My Take?
Well here is where I stand on this, Let's see if he'll deliver
We have the website set up to accept donations and if we need to, we'll set it up as a trust to get the Broiler rebuilt.(I have nothing to do with the money and I'm not even on any acct)
I have asked for this before,& will ask again. We need real donations here like from a company of Home Depots magnatude. Right there we could have the majority of the building materials.
Is there anyone here that does commercial plumbing and is willing to donate time & material?
How about a great commercial electrician?
If we were to say,Guys we're gonna need alot of money to make this happen!
I mean We had a meeting last evening when we saw the above article, Some of the Coalition really doesn't know what to think

We've worked very hard on this and we only want to give this back to you the car driving and appreciating public.
Do we want the Broiler to be profitable Heck yes, but would you guys come if it were to be rebuilt??? The place needs support.

Lets make this guy put his money where his mouth is by matching him $ for $.

 

Why not hit up your local Wal-Mart, Target, etc - they have lots to donate. Same with the local big-chain auto parts stores.

At least it'll pad the fund.

Also, why not hit up all the locak business to "buy a brick" with their name on it to be placed on a walkway near it, or in a wall, or on tiles on the floor or something?

It could go along with a "We're building/bringing back the Brioler brick-by-brick. You can, too - follow this link to get in on this action!" Campaign.

Also, see if the local TV stations and papers will not only print the link, but put it on their site. Maybe use part of the funds to put up a billboard in a prominent location in town.

Are you in the rolodex as a contact on this story at all the local papers & tv stations? Just a coupke of stray thoughts.

What about getting local businesses to sell Broiler merchandise, with proceeds going to the broiler? Surely there's a few local TV morning shows you could flaunt said merchandise on...

No money for a billboard? Put it on the side of a delivery box van (or on a board propped up in an old truck) and park it near the broiler, or drive it around town. Maybe park it near the highway in a visible location. Maybe get magnetic signs printed and hand 'em out to all the folks that you can, and turn their rolling billboards into rolling billboards!

And don't forget local PBS & NPR stations. Maybe they'll do an NPR story on you, or maybe they'll do a PBS auction or telethon.

Hit up Holley, Coker, Edelbrock, Stockton Wheel... I don't know. But if it'll bring a little bit in, it's worth an afternoon of emailing and calling. Who knows? Maybe you'll end up with an oversixed novelty check.

~Jason

 

Who is going to own and control the Broiler when the dust clears? Is it going to be a historical site or??? I've read the thread,might have missed something, but it looks like the old owner still owns it. Is he going to sell to a nonprofit organization or what?
Just curious. I think a lot of folks would send a little money that will add up, especially with matching funds, if everything seems right.
Larry T

 

Where's Ty Pennington and his TV show when a city needs them......this could be tho koolest home/hangout makeover in the country.....Now that would get the ratings up........

 

Larry, PM'd ya,

Jason, Definitely will take your ideas into consideration.

Kent, Thanks for posting the Pic.
I have had that idea re: Ty Pennington for several months now, I wrote the letter in June.
Have been waiting for the documentary to be completed in order to enclose it in the package,.
We have a rough version veiwable that attendees of the Harvey's Holy Ghost Cruise saw. I hope all that were there enjoyed it and learned something about it. This was an all volunteer effort and very expensive to make, luckily we have members who work in the film industry.
My version of the show would be "Extreme Makeover-Business Edition" A whole world has lost a peice of history,so this could benefit all who had been there in the past, could be there in the present and in our childrens future!

 

I think that the Broiler should be run by a Foundation. The foundation will be non-profit, possibly helped occasionally by the city, historical societies, etc.

Said foundation should be in place for a year, setup originally as a non-profit business. After a year, you can file to get 501-C3 (tax exempt) status - and while yes, this means no taxes, it also means that anything donated to the foundation is a tax write-off for whoever donates it. This is how churches sometimes get vans donated to them by local car dealers, etc.

So form that non-profit ASAP so that you can get 501-C3 status sooner! Yes, you need a business license, but if you go to city hall to get one now, you only pay for Novenber and December, and then wait a year to be billed to renew your license, making it far cheaper to jump on the bandwagon now - you could walk in and walk out with a business license, having spent only like $5!

Anyway, back to the Foundation.

This foundation's job would be twofold: 1, to do the books to keep the Broiler operating, pay the bills, etc, and 2, to take a portion of the profits and put it into an an interest bearing account and invest it in money market. bonds, etc in order to keep money coming in. As you are a non-profit, this leftover profit should be sank into this fund - get enough built-up, and you can keep it going on the interest alone.

Talk to PBS stations - they can tall you how it's done. Also, there's SCORE http://www.score.org/ They're a group of retired (not retarded) executives that will help you get this setup for free. They consult for free, and even have a free CD of Word doc templates of all the paperwork you'll need - just fill in the blanks.

As this would be a non-profit, there's cheap-to-free volunteer labor to be had. Around here high school students have to do a small amount of volunteer work in order to graduate - there's you some employees right there. Offering internships in management, etc at the local community colleges? There's some more free employees. Maybe the city can help you out financially if you talk to the city council and agree to hire folks from Unemployment...

Sell it as community-centered. Have car shows. show 'n shines, car washes, etc as fundraisers for you or local schools. Maybe live bands? This thing could go over like several cities have had the restorations of their old train stations go over - big-time family fun! Have a quarterly carnival, discounted food for high schoolers. .39 burger Tuesdays/party like it's 1958 prices aniversary week, etc.

Folks will come, especially if it's percieved as a "place where you've had fone memories in your youth with the promise of new memories for your kids".

Not to sell out, but it could be the lesser of two evils to approach McDonald's on this. They have the money and resources to not only build the structure up, but also have foodservice equipment and food transport/supply logistics all ready to go. A 5-year or 10-year buyback contract could be signed with the city, so that the city could buy it back in 5 or 10 years, but by then the foundation could be already setup (maybe McDonald's could donate some of the profit to the foundation in exchange for the space - you know, their building on the city's land, and the "rent" they would've paid to the city would go to the foundation) Anyway, you'd get the building rebuilt that way, get the equipment there, and have your supply chains all setup by the time the city bought it back from McD's, and the foundation to run it would be in place, ready to go, and maybe a contract to continue to get food through McDonald's supply chains could be set up. It's the lesser of two evils, and gets the job done. Besides, McD's has tons of cash to throw at something like this... Maybe the city (assuming it's leasing the land) could put a clause in the contract about not having too much McDonalds swal hung all over the joint, "in the interest of historical preservation", of course.

After a while, if it's done tastefully enough, hell - maybe it wouldn't be so bad if they continued to operate it - even after the city bought it back and/or donated it to your 501-C3 non-profit group. It WOULD save the broiler, which is what this is about after all... and the money in the foundation could be used to promote festivals and for building maintainence, as y'all would be landlords.

Just another thought. Hey, I'm a thinker, all right? I THINK things.

~Jason

 

Jason,
Read your reply. That is idea, We have been researching what it would take. We want to see it bought & rebuillt. There is much research to be done and everyday we learn more and more.
This is a very important piece of Americana that solely rests now on the guy who demo'd it in order to remove it from the landscape ability to keep his word and match donations,(Read article above).

Coincidently,I'd like to let every one know that in the the City of Downey Resides the Oldest Original Golden Arched, (Stanley Meston Designed)-Pre-Ray Kroc Mc Donald's

I talk about it in the 1st post of this Broiler thread, Idon't think that they'd want another historical resource.

Will foward this GREAT info to the Coalition and will see what we can get set up.

Thanx,
Kevin

 

No problem, man!

Seems like thinkin' thoughts is one of the few things I can do for you. I'll keep on thinkin' 'em!

Just think of the dollar amount dude would have to match if Wal-Mart handed you a wad of cash!

Keep it up, man - you're almost there!

~Jason

 

Another place you guys need to know about is:
http://www.giftsinkind.org/

They're the 7th largest charity in the US - they also give out all sorts of stuff fro free to non-profit businesses. What kind of stuff? Well, building materials for one. Also, IBM, Adobe, Apple, Dell, Micro$oft, etc all donate brand new, unopened computers and software, etc through here. You could get your whole office put together, or at the very least, have help getting there.

There's a place here in Kansas City called Surplus Exchange:
http://surplusexchange.org/

They take donations of office equipment, office cubicles/desk/conference tables, as well as lighting, file cabinets and computer stuff from businesses (which get a tax write-off), and then give away the stuff, or sell it unspeakably cheaply to non-profits. They have office chairs, computer monitors, etc (and sometimes weird stuff, like dental/barber chairs... and oddly enough, medical exam tables).

Surely there's a place like that near your neck of the woods. That could provide you with your office! Well, except for an actual location, and the rent.

For a place to set up, you might try http://www.burbankca.org/redevelopment

Just tryin' to help!

~Jason

 

Also, per Wikipedia:

"Much of Burbank's economy is based on the entertainment industry. While Hollywood is considered a symbol of the glamorous entertainment industry, much of the actual production takes place in Burbank. Many companies have their headquarters or facilities in Burbank, including ABC, DIC Entertainment, Dick Clark Productions, NBC, Nickelodeon, New Wave Entertainnment,Technicolor/Thomson, The Walt Disney Company, Warner Bros., Warner Music Group.

Many ancillary companies from Arri cameras, to Cinelease, Entertainment Partners, JL Fisher, and Matthews Studio Equipment also maintain a presence in Burbank.

Burbank is also conveniently located close to CBS Studio Center, DreamWorks, and Universal Studios in neighboring Studio City, Glendale, and Universal City, respectively. Capitol Records and Paramount are just south of Burbank in Hollywood proper.

Local IATSE union offices for the Stagehands Local 33, Grips Local 80, Make-up and Hairstylist Local 706 and Set Painters Local 729 also make their home in Burbank with Teamsters Local 399, IBEW Local 40 and many other IATSE locals nearby."



Is it just me, or do you think that those folks might have a buck or two to donate to a place that they might like to shoot at someday? Also, with all those stagehands, set painters, etc, there may be a few volunteers to help do the actual rebuilding. Maybe a few studios could donate a few guys each to do some construction, or maybe the "donation" they could make would be to give employees a paid day off to volunteer as part of a community service?

Just a few more thoughts. If you want me to stop, say the word.

Also, ALL of those people stop for gas, or a pack of smokes, or a drink SOME time, perhaps daily. A few gallon jugs on a few gas station counters could raise a lot of dough, too.

~Jason

 

I probably missed it somewhere in this thread, but if the owner of the property is intent on either not restoring Harvey's or doesn't want to sell (or is asking too much), isn't it premature to plan restoration until it can be purchased/acquired? The primary hurdle would appear to be Christos Smyrniotis and what his intentions are with the property. Matching donations with a lessee is great, but until the property can be secured, or a commitment made by Christos to rebuild and KEEP Harvey's as original, time is running out. I can't imagine the city will allow the property to remain in it's present condition much after the end of the moratorium.
As I said, I probably missed it, but what are Chistos' intentions for Harvey's?

 

Here is what Christos has said recently in the Downey Patriot
Dated 10/12/07,

"If I take control of the property, I will hire an architect to restore,demolish or see what we can do to make (the property) productive"Smyrniotis said. "I'm not an expert, we might have to demolish it. I don't know. But nothing is impossible,all it takes is money. Money and will."

Selling the property - Known as "Harvey's Broiler" before it was sold by Harvey and Minnie Ortner to Smyrniotis in 1966 (actually it was in 1970) -remains another alternative.

A coalition group named Save Harvey's Broiler is planning a rally- (Harvey's Holy Ghost Cruise) this sunday in hopes of raising enough money "to buy back Harvey's,restore it and re-open it as it was in 1958 condition for future generations to enjoy" according to ithe groups website.

Smyrniotis said he previously offered to sell the property to the Los Angeles Conservancy(a claim which the Conservancy denies),but was told they lacked the funds to purchase it.

"This is America.If you want to buy a house,if you want to by a ticket to the moon,you pay with money,"Smyrniotis said."One dollar, $10 $1 million,you pay.But how can you buy if you have no money?"
If you want Johnie's Broiler,you can buy it.But you need to have the money."

As you can see he'll sell it, but he never names a price????
Let me know Chris and we'll do what we can to match Ardas' 50&#37;.

 

found this on ebay....is this ligit or some sob rippin off a good cause.in other words anybody know this guy? He sells under the name "biggun 7761" the item # is 130173266260...if its ligit Kool in not............ :.