Has any body doen it? SBC in 1957 Fairlane?

nope..... that doesn't have anything to do with it....

I could tell you how to get your sister drunk and get in her pants....... but just because i CAN tell you how doesn't mean that I should....

and sure as hell doesn't mean that I would be able to live with myself if I did.....

Sell the SBC, and go buy a 351 w or ANYTHING ford...

I'm not a die hard ford fan,, I'm a car enthusiast... hell i'm working on a pontiac right now, but even I can see the blasphemy involved with this swap,, and the inbred offspring that would result.....

to answer some of you guys questions... NO... a ford is no harder to find in Germany than a SBC.
The parts are just as available.......

remember,, even if YOU can live with sleeping with your sister..... don't expect anyone else to accept it......

 

Not sure if they still sell them but there was a time when you could buy valve covers for chebbys that look like ford. Just wear dark sunglasses. Reminds me....anyone have a pair of those trick valve covers.

 

putting crap into gold is not the best way to go about it.

 

joe you car is a good example of what its about use a body style that you like and a power plant that you want it could be a ford in a ford or chevy in a chevy if that,s what you want just as long as it,s your choice but i think if you use a body you like and a power plant that you like chevy in a ford or like yours a mopar in a ford that,s a hot rod

 

Now to all Ford lovers
Why are you makin such a big deal out of it?
I don´t see you scream if sombody cuts the whole frame and floor apart to Bag it at exaple.
The SBC can be replaced by a Ford mill at any time.

Besides I didnn´t ask if I should do it or not. Just wanted to know if it was done before and how.

It´s not me who decides and it´s not you!!!


Thanks to everybody who had some helpful Ideas!!

 

He could always put Ford blue oval's on the valve covers of the Chevy. That would fool everyone.

 

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Just wanted to know if it was done before and how.

I would hope not!! That's why no one knows how to do it.

 

The more post i get here the more I like it.
Thinking bout opening a seperate thread with lots of pics, might get funny, hahaaaa

 

Oh, Idunno, the '57 fairlane's a nice enough car that I would HOPE people would fix them up.

 

AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! NOoooooooooo!!!

( The preceding message has been a joke...Nothing more than a joke. This joke has been brought to you by a guy with a sense of humor. All apologies to those without one. )

 

Good Lord, One simple question, about 5 helpful hints and 4 pages of Wasted space. Reading this reminds me of watching Jerry Springer, what's the point? You guys that concerned about your Post count? Get a Life, better yet go work on something worth while and keep your worthless point of View to yourself. What a bunch of Nose pickers.
The Wizzard

 

I read that at the beginning and that is a valid point. It may be a case of what is readily available and what parts are readily available for in that particular area.

With the right oil pan and pickup it may be pretty close to a drop in. Not the drop in that a similar sized Ford engine and aod would be but it may not require hacking the car up to get it in there.

Personally, unless the vehicle in question is a rare or odd special edition I could give a rats ass about maintaining "value". I think one of the big problems with hot rodding today is that people are way too worried about what the rig's worth at resale and not worried enough about how much fun they can have with it. We read every day on here, don't do this that or another because it might "ruin the value of the car". We all know that in 75 percent of the cases that is bs. Just possibly the value to the owner is that he wants an engine that he knows in a car that he likes so that he can go out and run down the bahn and be one of the big dogs and not have to sit on the porch. It may also be that a similar Blue oval engine and trans combo is mega bucks in that part of the world while the ZZ4 is readily available. This goes right back to the beginning of hot rodding in that you tend to run what you can get and what is available in your hood. And when his hood is in the big middle of Germany it is a wonder that he isn't contemplating using an engine out of a big Benz in the swap.

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Moving the tubular crossmember in the engine compartment is out of the question if the original suspension is the be utilized. The lower control arms on the 57 Ford attached with large solid pins. These pins pass through a sleeve and pressure welded plated under the front-most portion of the frame, under the radiator support, and the rear through a sleeve in the tubular crossmember in the engine compartment. Lose the crossmember, lose the suspension mounts. That simple. The SBC is dimensionally similar to the Y block, so there is no reason to go cutting the fire wall. Merely by utilizing a front sump oiling system, such as the Chevy II oil pan, that should allow proper engine placement in the 57 without having to cut the firewall, or frame.

As much as I love the Ford Modular V8s (I have one in my daily '98 Mustang), placing one of these, especially the 4v, will be a fitment nightmare. Though the Mods are small displacement, 281 cubes, they are ridiculously wide, which is the central issue in the '57 Ford. Again, using factory suspension, the upper control arms attach on top of the rail and encroach on the area directly around the exhaust manifolds. When I installed the 383 Chrysler in my 57 Ford, I had no other option but to use restrictive stock exhaust manifolds, as even block huggers hit the frame and upper suspension mounts. In time I will eventually fabricate my own set of headers to fit. You will likely run into similar issues using a Mod motor. By no means am I saying these issues are insurmountable, but they will put the kibosh on a cheap, quick and painless engine swap.

 

Agreed

 

Sticking a later Ford engine with equal performance to the ZZ4 would be a lot easier as it would be pretty much a drop in but how hard are they to come by and how expensive are they in Germany as compared to the ZZ4 and 700 trans?

The swap can be done and it can most likely be done by going straight to the Moroso catalog and buying the proper Chevy II pan and oil pickup and possibly dropping the center link as someone mentioned earlier for clearance.

The car's in the big middle of Germany so it's a wonder that they aren't looking at swapping an engine and trans out of a big Benz into it as those are probably readily available and can and will run down the bahn with abandon.

Hell, if he was trying to drop a 426 Hemi crate motor in it half of the same bunch who are hollering no now would be on the net hunting parts numbers that could make it happen.

Don't get me wrong, in this case I think the car would be a lot cooler with a hot blue oval crate motor and matching trans but there are times when ya gotta run what ya got.

 

I've got a buddy who's dream is to put a flathead in a '57 chevy. I always thought it'd look great next to all the fords with the sbc's. Anybody done that yet?

 

my buddy has a 58 ford with a small block chevy he said he tried ford engines but never had one last more than a week and just look at all the ford guys you have pissed off already. go for it and the front sump is correct.

 

you guys will hate me then. my 57 has a brand new 350/350 why? because my frame was rusted and we cut that wore out ford frontend off and clipped it with a g-body clip. the Y block is going in my 30 abone coupe where it can be seen.

 

There is a fastener/adapter plate kit out there to put cast aluminum 312 T Bird valve covers on any small block chevy. The guys that make that kit could not stay in business if there weren't a lot of SBCs going into '50 Fords.

Back in the 1960's when I was a young punk, me and my two racer cousins each went a different way. I was 56 Ranch Wagon with G2 Blown 312 and all syncro C5AZ three speed out of truck. The wagon came with 4.11's as it had been a OD car.

Cousin Johnny went with 57 Chevy and 327-FI with a four speed. His brother, cousin Tony, went with a 57 Fairlane and stuffed a 383 Mopar and T-Flite out of a wrecked Highway Patrol car in his. We all ran pretty hard for street kids. The Fairlane/Mopar was the best driving one of the bunch and would often pull either of us at any time in a roll-on. He got about 17 MPG and neither Johny or I did

Point being, guys have stuffed every combo you can think of into a 57 Ford. At one time you could buy those things for $75 running. It took a long time for them to become fashionable. Do what you need to to get paid. Do a nice job and if it runs well enough, he'll get something out of the build when he sells it. My kid is living in Holland (not Michigan) and he's putting an LS1 in a Datsun 240Z. It's about building stuff and going well. If the engine bay looks empty with the motor down there, add a 4-71 on top and see what happens

 

Okay, first is the tech part. A chevy II front sump pan and cutting and welding a notch in the tubular cross member to clear the starter is all the major changes you will need. I ran a stroked smallblock chevy in my 57 for 14 years. I've had stock manifolds, S10 headers, nova fenderwell headers, and finallycustom built headers over the years, all work fine. If you go with an HEI, you only need to trim the lip on the firewall a little. A little modification to the stock tranny crossmember, and a th350 mounts easily.
In my 57's I have swapped, run and raced many Y blocks, 302's, 351's, 390's and I'm currently finishing the 429 SCJ in my gasser that's stroked to 523.My SBC served me well, and gave many cars a good look at my taillights in the 1/4. I'm a huge Ford fan, but after years of running the SBC in one of them, these kind of negative reactions are pretty common.....and sad. You can find out a lot about so-called hot rodders when they whine about what you should and shouldn't put in your car. It's like an asshole detector. I hope your buddy builds what he wants to, and if he ever decides to put a ford back in it.....if he's a hot rodder, he can.
P.m. me if you need any more help.

 

I'm glad you made it to this thread to rescue this guy.

 

Total crap in my eyes, but then again I'm a Ford guy that HATES Chevy motors, and can't understand for the life of me why anyone would want to put junk in a good car?

Had a 71 chevy truck w/74k original miles and after working on that backasswards fucked up engineered crap, I swore I'd never own another chevy engine in anything I'm going to keep.

That being said I'm building a 58 Chevy car and have a rebuilt 350, and trans sitting behind it right now that I wound up w/in a trade. And seriously looking for a Ford motor to put in the 58 and get rid of the 350. Not just to be diffrent but just to have something that will run worth a shit, and a sure way to make the car a better car in the end.

But again ..thats just me.

 

If ya gotta put the chevy in do your best to make it look like a Y Block, at least the dissy is in the right place.

 

Hey thanks.
Exactly what I needed

 

Thats sort of a dumb question, a SBC has been in any car imagineable.

 

Cut the pan from the mounting flange about a half inch up from the flange and reverse it. tack and hammer and weld it back together. Mount the oilpump pickup where it needs to be temporarily and fab up a new oil pickup tube to the pump...works for putting a ford in a chevy mate.

 

Wow, two pages is enough for me, cut the thing up like a jigsaw puzzle if you have to and stick that Chevy in it. If for no other reason than it will piss off 90% of the guys who look at it.

And you have a legit reason, being in Germany where parts for Ford or Chevy V8s don't grow on trees down at the nearest Pep Boys.

 

Bob has the right idea for you don't listen to the all Ford guys crap, the SBC Chevy is a great engine and doesn't lower the value of the car at all. There's a reason so many use the SBC it's proven it's the best over all V8 of all time and has over fifty years of success.

CRUISER

 

Sure does lower the value of the car.
I wouldn't buy it unless it was really cheap so I could put a good engine in it like a Y block.
If you don't believe it, go buy one and put a SBC in it and then see what you can get for the car......


regards,
DJ

 

You guys don´t have to worry to see it, cars located in Germany.
And even if you accidently meet it chances are big that it´ll be travelling the Autobahn with 180-200km/h and sure wont stop for you to take a look under the hood
And here in Germany it will sell for a good price.
That ain´t no discussion for this thread.
I´m done.
I Won`t come back to this one