Does someone have any info on the proper installation of stock 34 Ford three window regulators and the stock slide back window sash channel. The car is chopped around 3''. As I role the regulator up to the top it is supposed to push the channel back some. All it does is bind up. as I role it down the rolers fall out of the tracks at both ends.The tracks of the drake channel are just long enough to keep the rollers in if the channel is in just the right place, off a 1/4" and it will fall out. I also need to know where to put the channel on the glass when I install it after the car is painted. I don't know all this beacuse I always had 33 Fords or put in electric windows. Thanks dwrfab Don Ross
As I recall from the 34s I had, there should be a tapped hole in the channel near the front. A bolt with an oversized head screws into it. When the arm comes up the roller pushes against it to push the window back into the rear door edge to give a vent in the front. You probably need to drill a hole in a repro channel. Just roll the window up all the way and see where the front roller is. To keep them from coming off the ends of the track have a look at the large gear. You will see a few tapped holes in various places. I think you stick a bolt in one of those to keep the arms from going too far. The different holes are for various applications - tudor, fordor, front, rear etc. and coupe. I also recall that 35, 36 rear mechs are the same as 34s.
Here is a shot of the right side regulator. I think the cam ramp is supposed to push the track back at the top of the run, but all it does is bind up. I dont think greese will make that big a difference. I a'm trying to keep greese off till after paint so things won't get contaminated. dwrfab Don Ross
the last time i put glass in a `34 three window ,i used repo channels too....i had to break the tack welds and move the slide channels groove things out about 1/2" on each end as for where to place the channel , i can't remember,,,i had to play with it a bit on a car i'm not familiar with , i usually make a mock up of the inner door out of 1/4" foam board with all the holes and the channels for the glass and the window opening marked out with a sharpie. then i assemble the regulator , channel and glass to it and play around to i figure it out
Sure wish I could help you Don. I need to come knock that 110 circuits out for you and move those lights above the rail table. See you soon Rusty
Hey Don, Want me to come fix it for you????just joking..probably has to do with where the channel is pressed onto the glass... Wolcott
All 34 Ford Passenger reproduction metal glass channels should have the tapped hole for the lug that rocks the window back into the vent channel. They did when I was in the business.
You have all the correct parts,DK & Pasadena are correct, the operation of the regulator for the smoker vent is controlled by a barrel shaped lug that goes in the hole in the channel in the left guide rail. You should see a punched hole that is threaded about 1/2" in from the right edge of the left guide track. After the regulator has been installed this lug is screwed in place. When you roll the regulator back it hits the lug and the window kicks back slightly. Be advised that you may incur problems using this regulator with a chopped car, especially if it is chopped a lot. The correct operation is based upon a stock height window, because of the shortened opening this does not allow the regulator to travel as far as necessary to operate. I suggest substituting a 33 regulator for the 34 and the window will operate up and down without the rearward smoker vent perfectly and the regulator will never know how much the roof is cut..
Thanks : I see what I need to do. I didn't know about the push back lug that installes after window is in. As for the regulator not working with the chop ,I have to cut new glass so I will make a pattern and make it work with wood first. dwrfab Don Ross
I was one of the lookers but i came back with pics and info I had to find it. Hope this works go to link and then scroll down. I am doing my back window on my 34 now next will be the doors like you. www.tagchips.com/CARS/34FORD/34ford.html#START Darrell
I was wrong about the glass channels being Bob Drakes. They are Mac's. When I put a screw in the tapped hole the pin would not clear the end of the cam on the regulator. I punched a new hole 1/4" farther from the pin and formed some metal down and tapped it . Then the cam will clear. Now I am making a window pattern by eye ball. I will see if my glass man has a pattern to check it against. The reproduction felt channel has a tab on the top about 1" down. It was too wide to fit through the small squair hole so I trimed it and stuck it through the hole. then folded it down. The felt channel stuck about 3/8" above the reciever in the door . This stopped the glass pattern from sliding backwards. I snipped the top and formed it down ,this allowed the glass pattern to be taller. The height is not importent to anyone else as I don't know exactly how much the top is chopped. dwrfab Don Ross
I just took a regulator off the shelf to try and see if I could duplicate your issue. First if you are trying to do this on the floor or a table it wont work easily. The regulator must be positioned in the door and the width of the glass positions the glass track. fordcpe gave a good low down on the regulators. I did have the same issue with the threaded hole. Using an NOS regulator, the short pin position bound up the regulator. When making your glass pattern use the front window channel of the door as a guide, since these regulators move the window backward the rear edge seems to float in the glass track felts. Also realize that in the tracking of the window glass, a portion of the glass lower edge remains in the lower felt channel to serve as a guide. Make sure that the metal glass channel remains at least 1/2" away from contacting the window channel felts at either edge, the metal channel should not drag on the felts at any time. I looked for an original glass to give you a measurement but I did not have any. If you are making a pattern my suggestion would be make the glass pattern so that it inserts in the rear web portion of the window opening abut 1/2 way when rolled up as a starting point.
Dick: Thanks for the conformation on my problem with after market channel. I worked with this for about two hours today and it still bindes on the point of the cam when rolling down. It seems like the channel wants to ride about 1/8" from the front felt or the rollers will fall out when the reg. arms go past the full flat position. I have resisted the urge to stretch the channel by an inch as proposed earler in the thread. I stopped when I wanted to pull regulator and sand off point of cam. This should not be the fix for the problem and I didn't want to put any more time on it. So I went and worked on the Scorpion Dragster some. I have stopped logging time on customers time sheet as this is somthing I shoul be able to do with out any problems. dwrfab Don Ross
Here is a picture with the measurements of my 34 ford 5 window glass it is original ford glass and worked good before I took it all apart. I hope this helps some just click to make bigger.Darrell
Hi Hammers. I have a couple of questions - maybe ignorant. I got a new regulator which has a bolted on stop on one of the gears. Does this mean the regulators came with travel limiting stops originally?? Also, are stops absolutely necessary on the window channel for up & down operation? Thanks in advance
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