Fuel to the fire, I say **** California and the NHRA. Didnt Ryan say "big brother", the NHRA was hip to this thing? So why is one jack*** tech inspector ******* in HA/GR Cheerios?
Sorry, but that's easy to say, not having to deal with living here. It seems that we don't really have a lot of options but to work it out with the NHRA if we want to be able to run our cars locally, as there aren't an abundance of "outlaw" tracks available here. It sorta turns into one of those "if we want to play, we need to play by their rules or we won't have a place to play" kind of thing. Yes, some of the things they are saying do not make any sense, but we need to iron out these points and get the whole country on the same page of the hymnal and it will benefit all of us. Unfortunately, in the current state of the sport, (namely big bucks setting the game) we need an advocate to sell the cl*** to those that run the game. Hopefully calm negotiations will prevail and we will be able to build and race these cars the way it should be done, rather than having the whole thing turn into another "nostalgia cl***" that doesn't represent anything of the way it really was.
It seems to me when I read the rule book the differing factor between one bar and two was OPEN car versus CLOSED car and the 11.99 rule. (I don't have a book in front of me now.) Though construction is stalled on our car at this point we added the second bar during construction even though the HAMB rules said one bar.
Can these bars be removable? I think SCTA allows bolt-on cages at Bonne. I could help with a little engineering.
Really a nice at***ude T-Man... Its easy for me to take my ch***is and throw it in the s**** bin. But we are talking about a guy who spent countless hours of his time and money to build an HA/GR to have some fun, only to be told that he can't run it. I have more to say. but I'm not going to waist anymore of this boards time. I just hope you all don't feel the same way as T-Man
The internet doesn't translate well. I think his comments were on the "tongue-in-cheek" side. I think the bolt-on section is a good way to adapt. The "must have suspension" is way out in left field. Do all the comp eliminator rear engine dragsters have a four-bar rear nowadays?
I think that what was said about rear suspension,"Was if it had a rear suspension the one roll bar might be OK." I can tell you for a fact that Comp Eliminator in NHRA does not have to have a rear suspension. I have a friend who runs it and his rear engined dragster has no rear suspension. You know maybe we need to write or call NHRA and get them to make a ruling on these cars. We need someone who is articulate enough to point out the ET's and MPH these cars run so that we can get a ruling from the headquarters. I know that would swing a lot of weight if you showed up at a track with a piece of paper showing what NHRA said. Of course it could come back to bite us if they won't budge on the one roll bar. Roy
Gentlemen, The suspension thing was a misconstruance on my part. What Joe was trying to tell me was that if we were in a "suspended" cl*** the roll bar would've been good. ThingyM asked him again later and was kind enough to straighten me out on that one. Made a damn sight more sense when I understood. Joe is no jack***, I've met & dealt with him and I'll speak for that. Seems a decent fellow to me. Open vs. closed is indeed the primary factor for the second loop. The 11.99 appears to allow exception for us slower cars (and to several other things as well, including the welding). There lies the quibble. NHRA br*** out here seem to've elected to deny some of those exceptions. Joe relayed that to me, and in a pleasant & friendly manner. And professionally as well, I got no sense of whether he approves or disapproves of it personally. Our team's major decisions re. NHRA will be based very much on three interconnected considerations. 1, What it'll take to come up to their requirements. 2, Whether those requirements are going to "hold still". 3, Whether we feel they're actually interested in what we're doing. Team Geezerspeed's goals and plans re. HA/GR are long since decided and reasonably obvious by now. On the bolt-on loop, sounds like a good idea that I rather doubt they'd go for. While ****ing California tends to be a bit more ****ing than most care to undertake I have to admit to that initial response as well (guess my anger management cl***es are only producing delayed results). Fortunately I've at least learned give it a moment for reflection before making an *** of myself (I'd been getting rather tired of being one anyway). Thus I tend to eventually get around to addressing the actual crux of a problem sooner or later. Well, most of the time anyway ................
Like Rand man said, that was a little sarcastic....................just find another tech inspector man. Dont let one Napoleon spoil your day. We also need a list of all the teched cars, the division they are in, the tracks they run amd what inspector tagged em. That way if one inspector without a clue is balking the first time he sees one you can show the NATIONALLY SET PRECEDENT.
I don't have a dog in this fight and I don't want to beat a dead horse,but it seems that if the cars can be ""INVITED"" and ""PAID"" to show and run at ""INDY"" an ""NHRA Sanctioned"" track,""multiple times"", I feel obligated to point out that there must be some loophole that the ""CALI"" inspectors can be steered toward that would allow them to let you play. I mean,how many of the cars that have run at Indy actually had ""Certs""? Contacting Steve Gibbs and seeing if he would advocate for you might be the best approach right now as he has an ""IN"" and seems to be a reasonable guy,what little contact I've had with him.
The ANRA is plugging away at this deal.... there is no sense in trying to get anywhere with NHRA... something to remember... as per the rules... this is a NON-COMPE***IVE cl***... which basically makes it an EXHIBITION cl***... that is the tree we're barking up...
It is VERY compe***ive here in Okla we run for prize money and points once a month. We have eight cars running the points now. There is no exhibition runs at Tulsa.We have no trouble p***ing tech.
So, put your your money where your money is. CAN YOU HELP THIS GUY IN CALI? It benefits everyone if ONE more car gets Teched. Strenght in numbers baby!
We have about 4 or 5 cars on hold right now because of this tech mess..including my own. But if I have to build a new ch***is, I will..
We're still collecting parts and will definitely build. Just won't start sticking pieces together until we are sure how they need to be stuck together.
Wow. We (Bacon Bandits) have started gatthering parts to build our car and I'm sure there are a lot groups out there. It's time to work this out. I sure appreciate ANRA's support, but if I race I want to compete. We are racers, not performers. Out on the left Coast, the tracks are NHRA sanction. Fact of life. I want to race the Okies and Texans and BEAT them. If there are cars in Calif, I'm certain the other cars want to baet them. There may even be extra prestige in whipping the Calif dudes, who knows? We need to pick a group who are atriculate and knowlegable to present this to the Powers That Be. It goes beyond simply creating a tech standard, IMO, the most important thing is to keep it a "Heads Up" style of racing. I know that Ryan and the Bacon Bandits don't want an index cl***. We all want to run them out the back door. We have recieved lots of encouragement from the existing HAMBer teams to build our cars. So, this needs to happen in California and New York (Get a rope!) too. This has really given us a lot to think about. We WILL apply good ol' American racing ingenuity and come up with something that works. Or we'll have to join the street racer kids and run them on back roads. The HA/GR deal is way too cool not to do. Bet we have this figgered out by Spring.
"This has really given us a lot to think about. We WILL apply good ol' American racing ingenuity and come up with something that works. Or we'll have to join the street racer kids and run them on back roads. The HA/GR deal is way too cool not to do. Bet we have this figgered out by Spring." Sure hope you are right on that one, Phil. Looking forward to building and racing ours, and getting into the old shade tree engineering. Heads up, "run whatcha brung" type fun.
No problem, don't mind letting friends win now and then. Hell, if you don't get a red light once and a while, ya ain't trying hard enough.
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