Technical Help Identifying Frankland QC

Most grateful to you, Gimpy, those dimensions, along with the news that 3"axle tubes from a Ford 9 inch will fit the bells, are going to go a long way toward getting one of these under my car.

 

I'm not a Ford axle tube guru, but the QC side bells use a true 3" tube.

I have seen some that need a skim cut to get the proper shrink fit in the bells. (0.003"). The only correct way to install the tubes is to heat the bells to 300-350 degrees. If you cool the tubes in a bucket of ice water, you can make that 250.
I swab the inside of the heated bell with anti-seize. They should drop right in. Be sure to clock the tubes so that the bearing pockets are in the correct orientation.

The drawing that Gimpy posted is good for most current Quickchanges. The overall length can vary a bit, but the widths are pretty standard.

 

I used the heat/ice method to get my tubes in. I was a little startled at how well they went in, but they are fine.

I did put them on a a lathe first. Even though they were made of DOM, they still needed a slight kiss to get them correct. Any good machine shop can do this for you. Tell them what you want to accomplish, and they will hook you up.

For clarity, I do NOT have Ford 9-inch tubes. I have Grand National (think stock car) tubes, and full-float hubs.

 

For clarity, I do NOT have Ford 9-inch tubes. I have Grand National (think stock car) tubes, and full-float hubs.[/QUOTE]
Ah, what I have been thinking, is to try and use my existing tubes, if they are long enough, because they have the proper brackets already mounted. It would save me some work in that regard, and allow me to carry on with the brakes I already have. Think full-size 1965 Ford.

 

Provided that they are of sufficient diameter and length, you should be able to.

You will need to carefully measure.

Ford axle tubes were only marginally finished. Yours will likely need a tune-up to fit properly.

 

For everyone else, Ford-ended tubes with bells are these:

Neat old-school look. Winters gets it!

Tube to be used with aluminum or magnesium bells are these:

 

Yes, if all else will work, they will get dressed on the ends before being pressed in. I gave the quick change idea some thought years ago, and it had totally slipped my mind until this thread came up. As far as reusing my axle tubes goes, that idea sprang from your mention of reusing the pickup tubes. I wish to thank all of you for sharing your knowledge here, some of which has brought back some short track memories from 40 years ago, I wonder how many folks remember Larry Detjens?

 

Large cars and pickups have the widest of the wide 9-inch axles. They have more potential "raw material" to start with.

Check your stuff carefully against the Winters diagram.

In the case of the Winters housing, it is 20-3/4" wide overall, and each tube recess is 5", meaning that the ends of the inserted tubes are 10-3/4" apart when installed.

Measure your donor parts and see if you have enough tube to made the overall axle width you want.

Remember, you can cut off, but adding on is a horse of a different feather.

 

I put a mutt of a quick change together. Mid 70's F150 pickup axle tubes modified. Cut length to fit axles. Lincoln late 70's brakes.

 

^^^THIS!^^^

That's what I'm talkin' 'bout! Roll-your-own!

A couple of companies make cut-to-fit axles in Ford 31-spline, and that 31-spline is the same 31-spline that was used in quick change rear ends (except the early ones).

 

Never occurred to me to use tubes from a Ford PU . Makes it a lot simpler.


I have a CAE rear that I need to modify a spool so I can 31 spline and standard bolt pattern .

Also did not know Dutch man would cut the corse spline .
Might not need a spool then although the cut to fit axles would be nice

 

I appreciate all this information,
Thank You

 

Thanks, I'm learning a lot, though I haven't worked on these before, I'm technically and mechanically minded, so I'm looking forward to pulling it apart to see what's inside, already looked under the rear cover, looks like new.

 

Thanks again for the lead to Howe, this is what I got back in reply to my email, including the attachments here.

"That is the 2nd generation design of our Wide 5 (W5) hub. The "UFO" style W5 hub came out in 1977 and was replaced by a newer design in 1981. The original design Howe W5 was introduced in 1973, I attached a copy of the original design instructions as well as scans from our 1978 catalog.

Our Wide 5 hub went through 8 generations of designs over the years before we stopped producing them around 2019 or so. The Wide 5 bolt pattern is based on the old Ford hubs and it's a 5 stud pattern on a 10.25" circle.

For wheels you need to look at racing wheel companies such as Basset, Diamond, Aero, Circle, Weld, etc. I don't know if you will find anything in that bolt pattern other than in a 15" steel wheel.

That's about all I can tell you about them. They are from well before my time.

Thank you,

Howe Racing Enterprises
Phone: 989-435-7080
www.howeracing.com

 

Wheels. Supermodified WELD aluminum. Very ruff from the dirt car wars but dirt cheap. 6" & 8". I restored them and painted them. Too ruff to polished. And I bought 2 new [ stole ] light weight steel [ for my R R ] at a swap meet. $20.00 each. R R has a 201 QC with axles resplined [ 28 ] on inner end.

 

Talking about hubs. The wide 5 hubs on my R R are 5 spoke and made for drum brakes only. Found at a swap meet. In racing since since 1951 and I have never seen any others before. By the time 5 spoke hubs became popular they were all designed for rotors and drum brakes were obsolete on circle tracks.

 

For you guys who think you can run a locked rear end on the street. I have two 3" open tube sprint car rear ends for sale. One with 6 pin knock offs. One with wide 5 hubs. Wouldn't that be wild on the street?

 

OK. We all have provided tons of information. Now why the hell don't you just take the time to pull the freak'n left bell and tell us what carrier you have??? Or do you want to keep it a secret???

 

Did they make a 35 spline spool for these rear end?

 

I have always thought it would be cool to use one of those in a Kurtis-style sports car, with cross torsion bars and arms, which would perhaps make it more Watson than Kurtis. Living in SW Wyoming, dealing with an open tube axle would not be as much trouble as driving in NYC, or SLC for that matter.

 

@saltflats,
No 35 spline that I am aware of.
Old Ford truck - 12 spline
Late Ford style - 31 Spline
I have seen 28 spline axles but not in a spool. These were used with replacement side gears in the original Ford truck differential.
Frankland also tried a Hex (Think Big Allen Wrench) but it never caught on. Dennis Frings (Frames) probably knows more than me about this.

 

Since you're interested, I'll post some pics when I do.