help me ID this v12 engine

can't find any pics on google, so thought i'd ask you guys. supposedly came out of a '39 lasalle, but they were v8s. looks like something out of a fire truck. 60° v12 if that helps.

 

Try American LaFrance.

 

Or seagrave

 

looks to be a pierce-arrow v12. they ran from 1932 thru 1938. seagrave (fire engines) used the pierce-arrow v12 engines in their fire trucks. they worked so well, they bought the designs, modified them, then kept usiing them up thru the mid 60's.

 

the pics i found of seagraves engines had heads with scalloped lower edges and twin plug. not bad for $500, whatever it is.

 

Looks like a Cadillac motor to me...

The Series 80 (models 80 and 85) was simply a model 70 or 75 with Cadillac's 368 in³ V12 engine. It was produced for 1936 and 1937 only. Output was 150 hp (112 kW).

 

More..........Is it for sale?


Cadillac also built a V12 engine based on the Series 452 engine for 1930 through 1937. It retained the 45° vee-angle and displaced 368 cubic inches (6.0 L) from a 3.125 in (79.4 mm) bore and 4 in (100 mm) stroke. Output was rated at 135 hp (101 kW) with two carburetors. The cars were designed to make a statement, so all engine wiring and plumbing was hidden from view.
The V12 was used in the Fleetwood-bodied V-12 models:

• 1930-1935 Series 370 ("A" through "D")
• 1936-1937 Series 80/85

As part of General Motors V-future program, Cadillac had an Overhead cam V12 slated for production in the late 1960s. However, the oil crisis that followed the Yom Kippur war put an end to it, leaving it at the prototype phase (even though it was production ready).

 

It'd look pretty cool under the hood of that DT...

 

i have a 38 diamond t 404 that i need to do something with.

anyone have a picture or a link that would ID the thing?

 

There ya go!

 

i can't find any logos or identifying marks on it. the viscous fan i imagine came off something else, maybe.

 

Here's a nice picture of a Pierce Arrow V12.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/carphotosbyrichard/3508015204/in/set-72157617712018481/

 

Looks similar to this Seagrave, minus the dual plugs.

http://www.transmissionadapters.com/model A with Seagrave engine 006.jpg

 

yup, that's what it is from the looks of it. the flickr pic in black looks cool. i pulled the distributor and it's a big ol hunk. took off the intake/exhaust and the valley covers. the covers were chrome, or used to be. pretty clean inside with safety wire on a few brackets. wonder what trans would work good with it. the carbs both have issues, but that shouldn't be too hard to adapt other ones.

 

That thing might be a little thirsty, so I'd think something with overdrive would be a plus.
Here's who did the one in Relics picture, but it probably wasn't cheap.

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=BOk&sa=N&um=1

 

Cadillac's V-12s were all O.H.V. as were the V-16s thru 1937. The V-16 was changed to a 135 degree flathead in 1938.

 

Here's a pic of a '31 Caddilac V-12, so that's not it...............

 

Every Seagrave I have seen had "SEAGRAVE" cast in it.

 

All the firetruck V-12s I've ever seen had dual ign. That is probably a Pierce Arrow engine. Better have deep pockets for parts if needed.

 

Not sure but I think it's a bolt-in for the Porsche.

 

yeah, this one has no markings at all. not even an engine number, but that could be under all the paint. cylinder banks bolt to the lower crankcase.

 

seagrave used the pierce-arrow engines back in the thirties and on thru 1963. after pierce-arrow closed it doors, seagrave bought the engine designs and manufactured it themselves. that is why the 1939 and on seagraves have the seagraves casting on the heads, but prior to that, no casting of the name.

 

Counting the exhaust ports makes me think this is a V16.

 

got it out of the truck and stripped down a bit. that thing is HEAVY. here's a few more pics. thanks for the help so far. i wonder if seagraves ever used these in single ignition form, or if this is an actual mid 30s pierce-arrow car engine.

 

My friend has one of these in his shop right now, it si the one of one made in 38. I think P A last yrar was 38. But the engine look exactly like the on in the link

http://www.significantcars.com/cars/1937pierce2/fullsize.html

The fire aparatus nearly all used double ignition systems. This gave them redundancy on fire calls that needed a lot of pump time. Couldn't have pumps dying due to fouled plugs or burnt points.

 

mine doesn't have that section of the intake that looks like a heat riser hanging over the heads, and the oil filler is behind the carbs. it has an aluminum air filter extension also, pic attached, as well as a pic from the above link.

 

Ooooops You're correct - I screwed up.

 

I say its a LINCOLN K model V12 from 1930 to 1936 of 37

 

It aint a 1935 Packard

 

i think its an awesome score , hope you get it running engines that are out of the norm, of what you see everyday are to cool