Help me identify this frame!!!

so ya im a f*.n.g. n im sure some pll will chew my @$$ about this thread, sorry.


i bought this frame cheap and im gonna chop the hell outta it. i want to i.d. it first tho. the poor thing was a hay wagon but im gonna ressurect it.

my only clue to this frame are the crossmembers. lemme know what u guys think....






















AND CHECK OUT THE SPRING HANGERS......

 

and the bolt pattern is 5 on 5 1/2"

 

Assumimg the rear-end belongs to that frame it looks like a Ford Banjo rearend to me.. i'm not sure though.. try cleaning up the rear-end a bit and maybe the front axle as well and you might find some indentifying marks there

 

ya alota things point to a ford chassis but most ford had the x style cross members i think. thats what throwin me off, and the internet searchs arent much help

 

Good looking front axle!

 

GM and Chrysler (i think) both used parrallel leaf I beams on their cars in the 30's and 40's.. I'm sure some expert will hop on soon enough and tell you though.. At any rate good job on saving that thing.. it looks to be in pretty good shape for being a hay wagon for god knows how many years

 

if it was a hay wagon, you can be pretty sure it wasn't modified. you also know it's OLD. clean up some part that will have L A R G E numbers on it, preferably cast. front axle is great for that. then see what kind of code it is. Ford / Chevy / Dodge are easy to tell apart. if it's anything exotic, don't cut it, sell it and buy yourself a less rare frame. good frames are getting hard to find. oh and I don't think it's a truck, the rear looks too flimsy

 

ya one of the reasons i want to id it is so if it is rare i dont destroy it, and maybe find it a good home. im all about preserving hot rods and classic cars. obviously the reason i joined this site lol

 

Frame ends look like some I've seen before...Essex maybe?

 

Great post and photos, Welcome to the HAMB! The front axle looks like a late 1920's Chevy item to me, but the chassis is late 1930's for sure. It may be made up from odds and ends to build a farm wagon by someone that was good at useing what was at hand. The rails have a real nice rear kickup and this would make a great starting point for a 1930's race car. Good luck with the project! ESSEX was my first guess but they were flat front to back, yours flair out mid way back.

 

I don't know what it originally came out from under but it would fit the bill for what I want to do on one of my projects to the letter

Years ago I drug home what I thought was an early Dodge touring car chassis and I think it was pretty similar in the front.

 

ya the thing i love about the frame are the kick-ups and how it pinches in so agressively by where the firewall (im assuming) would be. id like to leave the floor out of my body to show off those cross members too.

 

Don't circa '40 Willys have a similar center crossmember?

 

That Elliot axle is the thing that throws me. I was going to say it might be a Lincoln until I saw that front axle, unless Lincoln used that axle in the 20s which is the era of those Elliot axles.

What is the wheelbase of that frame?

 

Got any close-up pics of those front and rear backing plates?

 

Consider this...rather than leave the floor out, (not too safe, IMHO,) why not put the floors under the crossmembers. You could make a tunnel for the driveshaft to run in and then the crossmembers could be exposed without having road debris from coming in. Or passengers from falling out.

 

Wheelbase= 112 3/4"

 

ok heres more pics, but i also added a few to the first set @ the top of the thread....

the front axle backing plate. notice how big the brakeline fitting is??




and the rear backing plate. i noticed a piece that was torched off around the brake levers on both driver and passenger drums. is that the end of a hairpin??? but the u-bolts on the axle look untampered, if someone did swap this axle they did a damn good job for it being a wagon.





and a better pic of the diff.

 

Do a Plexiglas floor board.

And, welcome to the HAMB. Sorry I can't be of any help on the identification part.

 

Juice brakes on the front, and mechanical on the rear? Somebody did some axle swapping sometime in the past. And I'm liking the bump stops on the rear.......

 

Rear is Model A...not relevant to ID of frame.

Front brakes are Lockheed type, common on Mopars...I don't think frame itself is modified to any extent because everything seems riveted

 

Rear axle is a Model A Ford I believe, notice the upper spring mount was torched off, along with the radius rod.

 

I'd get out a wire brush and look for a serial on the frame. Or holes for a tag for one. The rear frame crossmember, the rear frame rails on the sides, and the front frame rails on the top back as far as about where the pedals would be.

 

old Packard frame ?

 

The rearend is definitely a Ford. The radius rod end cut of on that backing plate say Model A.

 

1924 Chrysler 70 series, all 112 3/4" wheelbase, stamped at left rear frame horn at the spring hanger, #1001-32813.
1925 Chrysler 70 stamped same place, #B32813-B81000.
1926 Chrysler 70 stamped same place, #WY580W- and numerous others with Letter-number-letter combos.
1927 Chrysler 70 stamped same place, letters-numbers-letter, several groups.

 

k so im lead to believe this is a mid to late 20s chrysler frame that somebody put a model a rear end under. the wheel base and front i beam and brakes point to chysler, but im still up for suggestions, i want to know FOR SURE what she is.

 

Check the left rear frame rail for the numbers and you can eliminate Chrysler if they aren't there.

 

well unfortunately no # on the driver rear frame rail. checked the top and side, unless its inside the c channel

 

The large wheel cylinder brake hose connection is a Chrysler feature, they used a copper compression washer not a tapered thread fitting.