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Technical hey, for you UK guys there is another consultataion and we need to stop it now

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by tosh, Feb 11, 2018.

  1. tosh
    Joined: Sep 3, 2017
    Posts: 8

    tosh

    hey the DFT are at it again and threatening hotrodders, customisers and kit car builders in the uk. there is a link below to the page that has been set up to fight this. They want cars that are going through the BIVA test to comply with the new emissions test which is designed for new OEM cars, which we all know they can't even pass (Volkswagen scandal).

    there are draft letters and a link to the goverment page where you can fill out the consultation.

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/148944219148084/

    thank you for your time
     
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  2. Bttt.....good luck to you guys over there
     
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  3. 49ratfink
    Joined: Feb 8, 2004
    Posts: 23,112

    49ratfink
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    from California

    messing with old cars for emissions when one fart from a giant factory puts more crap in the air than all the old cars combined
     
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  4. gimpyshotrods
    Joined: May 20, 2009
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    gimpyshotrods
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    Remind your representatives that the top 15 container ships that sail from China produce more pollution than all of the vehicles on the planet.

    http://www.industrytap.com/worlds-1...pollution-than-all-the-cars-in-the-world/8182

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html

    If pollution is a concern, then promoting local manufacturing, not leaving the E.U., while promoting manufacturing there, would do infinitely more than getting a few thousand old cars off of the road.
     
  5. gimpyshotrods
    Joined: May 20, 2009
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    gimpyshotrods
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    Your FB group is closed, and there appears to be no way to join it.
     
  6. damn it.....bump up
     
  7. Ned Ludd
    Joined: May 15, 2009
    Posts: 5,455

    Ned Ludd
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    Precisely - assuming that this legislation really is about pollution, which it isn't.

    Modern manufacturing depends heavily on state management of supply and demand, to create and maintain demand which can't exist by itself through for instance city planning and infrastructure development, to limit design diversity to enable volume per design, to insulate the industrial establishment from small-scale start-up intrusion, etc. etc. etc. Apart from a small commonsensical core the vast bulk of environmental and safety regulation is all about this.

    The real reason for outlawing small/local/bespoke/informal car manufacture is that it carries the potential to make the manufacturing establishment redundant, by denying the establishment the demand corresponding to the threshold volume required to manufacture according to its chosen methods, on which its economic power relies; and hence carries the potential to collapse demand for cars as such - since a small/local/bespoke/informal industry is readily capable of adapting to diminishing demand.

    Thus, is it not a better environmental argument precisely to favour small/local/bespoke/informal manufacture (hot rodders!) over the manufacturing establishment - so that the complex of artificial demand and engineered dependence may be broken? Why is this exactly nobody's official policy? It ought to be - though the thing I foresee people having trouble understanding is that you can have an industry small and diverse or you can have it heavily regulated, not both.
     
  8. I hate to be the prophet of doom, but we here in the U.S.A. should enjoy our cars and hobby while we still are allowed to.
     
  9. GeeRam
    Joined: Jun 9, 2007
    Posts: 609

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    Correct, you win a cookie.

    Emissions/pollution etc., is just the cloak this legislation (and the others associated with it) is dressed up in on the gradual inevitable path to a world of non-personal transport for the masses, and that means legislating old cars off the road network in the next decade or so.
     
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  10. pitman
    Joined: May 14, 2006
    Posts: 5,148

    pitman

    Self-driving? When my chilled, lifeless fingers let go the wheel! :rolleyes:
     
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  11. belair
    Joined: Jul 10, 2006
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    belair
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    Homogenization and compliance.
     
  12. FrozenMerc
    Joined: Sep 4, 2009
    Posts: 3,344

    FrozenMerc
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    Talk about chasing the small fish in the pond. BNSF Railroad (1 of 5 Class 1 North-American Railroads) consumes 1.3 BILLION gallons of Diesel per year. I would be willing to argue all of the classic cars and trucks in the U.S., Canada, UK, and perhaps the rest of Europe don't consume that much fuel on an annual basis.
     
  13. 49ratfink
    Joined: Feb 8, 2004
    Posts: 23,112

    49ratfink
    Member
    from California

    ... I read an article about part of Californias plan to destroy the state is to eliminate gas powered cars here by 2040. I'll be dead or 80 by then. feel sorry for the young folks and their dismal future in all aspects of life, not just this.
     
  14. Sheep Dip
    Joined: Dec 29, 2010
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    Sheep Dip
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    from Central Ca

    Wonder how they are going to collect all the new gasoline taxes they are rubbing their hands together and salivating over in Sacramento at the moment to support the Bullet Train to nowhere.
     
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  15. proartguy
    Joined: Apr 13, 2009
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    proartguy
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    from Sparks, NV

    IMG_2128.PNG Although this is a proposed British regulation it could serve as a blueprint for other countries. Section 4.12 would certainly effect hot rodding.
     
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  16. ....of course my A model had a 327 from new....
     
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  17. s55mercury66
    Joined: Jul 6, 2009
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    s55mercury66
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    from SW Wyoming

    4.12 would favor one of those old brass cars like a Simplex.
     
  18. gimpyshotrods
    Joined: May 20, 2009
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    gimpyshotrods
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    I ride in them about once-a-week.

    Sent from my SM-G900T using The H.A.M.B. mobile app
     

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