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Technical Hilborn angle drive identification

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Harv, Jan 3, 2021.

  1. Harv
    Joined: Jan 16, 2008
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    Harv
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    from Sydney

    Ladies and gents,

    May I have some help please identifying the vehicle that this angle drive was originally intended for? Drive gear is missing, but rest is intact.

    I bought it many years ago with the intent of modifying it to work on a local GM Holden I6 grey motor. The aftermarket Repco crossflow heads for the grey motor are very tight for dizzy space, so an angle drive makes a bit more space available. The Hilborn angle drive can be made to work, but measurements show it would require machining to within an inch of it's life.

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    Cheers, and thankyou,
    Harv
     
  2. stillrunners
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    stillrunners
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    from dallas

    Bump up for the late crowd.......
     
  3. Deuces
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    Deuces

    One more!.....
     
  4. Harv
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    Harv
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    from Sydney

    Bump.

    Anyone know what vehicle has an oil pump buried nearly 7” below the deck, with a male 1/4” drive ready for the dizzy’s female socket?

    If the HAMB don’t know, ain’t no-one know.

    cheers,
    Harv
     
  5. mgtstumpy
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    Go direct to the manufacturer Hilborn, chances are someone there will know. Even better if you can locate a serial#
     
  6. wrenchbender
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    I’m gonna say it’s probably for early small block Ford as they use a 1/4 hex to drive the oil pump


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  7. Early" Y " block Ford.
     
  8. Harv
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    Harv
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    from Sydney

    Thanks gents - appreciated.

    cheers,
    Harv
     
  9. Harv. How bout some pics of that Repco head.
     
  10. Gofannon
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    Gofannon
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    Don't know but if it is anything like this you might want to contact Pgan here on the HAMB. It might be an elusive Stewart Warner tach drive for a Chevy 6.

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  11. Harv
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    Sigh... don’t remind me about the head. I have McGee injection, and a Norman supercharger ready to bolt on to it... but no head.

    GM Holden sold an incredible number of grey motors between ‘48 an ‘63. Repco only made about 200 cross flow heads to suit. I hunted for a Repco head for 15 years, and came close but never close enough to getting one. I gave up, and decided to buy a reproduction head.

    It is about AUS$15k for a reproduction head, and the same money for a busted up Repco original. It costs a lot to go fast slowly... worse than banger parts.

    The bloke making the reproductions has only made about a dozen in the decade he has been reproducing them. I paid my 50% deposit... three years ago.

    I will be patient.
    I will not say bad words.
    I will be humble, and accept that cool stuff takes time.

    Cheers,
    Harv
     
  12. X38
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    I hope you got a receipt.:eek:
     
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  14. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    from FRENCHTOWN

    Why not consider making your own, the way you want it. I put a crossflow on my six cylinder racer and did not have enough clearance for the mag to clear the intake so I made one of billet. You can use Boston Gears # HLK-101Y, 45 degree bevel gears.
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    Here is a video of it idling.



     
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  15. Harv that’s too bad. I wish you luck. I have only ever seen one & it was in a speedway midget (speedcar) in Christchurch in the early 70’s. Sounded great but by then almost uncompe***ive for the most part. I have a very close friend that road races a grey engine in New Zealand. Google the Frangapelli Special.
    Love Holden 6’s. Built many myself years ago. Have faith your a good man.
    Cheers
    Tony
     
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  16. Harv
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    Harv
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    Not real confident in making my own... my machining skills are poor. Finding a machinist locally that will do small machine-fit-fiddle-repeat jobs has been painful.

    I tried the Hilborn angle drive, but it needs some machining that would make it marginal for strength.
    I tried a Ronco angle drive for a Ford 250 cross flow (looks like a cigarette packet), but it’s internals were so flogged out that they scared the magneto.
    I managed to find a McGee angle drive that the McGee boys made locally before moving to the US. It’s alloy body was cracked, and it took me 6 months to find an ally repair person who would take on precision repairs of old, porous, greasy ally.

    It’s starting to feel like There’s a Hole in the Bucket, Dear Liza.

    cheers,
    Harv
     
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  17. X38
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    Years ago the Gatts in Sydney made an angle drive for a blown Cleveland using gears from a (quality) angle grinder. Just a thought starter.
     
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  18. Harv
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    Harv
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    from Sydney

    Interesting.

    Joe Gatt did the head work on the factory grey motor head in my FB Holden about 10 years ago before he p***ed away. Made him grin - pulled out carbide cutters to relieve the chambers that his Dad had made many years ago.

    Cheers,
    Harv
     
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  19. wrenchbender
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    Here are some pics of an offset drive I have laying in the shop it was made for a Chevy( i didn’t build it ). I’ve never had the need for it but kept it around cause I never throw anything away lol it has a belt drive in it this one wouldn’t be hard to adapt to what ever engine or even build one like this hope this helps you figure out what to do

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