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I have done this too, and I think it is now like $40.

Amazing how that gets the focused attention of people!

 

Also regrading “civil matters” and “law enforcement won’t get involved…”.
I used to watch reality TV shows like “Cops” and the Sheriffs deputy’s would always be on hand for the final day/time for evicting folks.
That sure seems like a Civil matter to me

 

An eviction requires a court order. A court order can mandate the presence of law enforcement to protect all involved parties.

This would not apply here, unless the OP can get in touch with the civil court in the area, and have a court issue an an order compelling the holder of the ***le to surrender it. That would likely require the services of a local attorney.

 

I just wanna say, if a ***le isn't produced at the time of transaction, you are basically taking the risk that you are buying a car that has no ***le. And you are responsible for the outcome, like somebody else said about sending a picture of the money, the legal transfer should've taken place prior to payment. Now you're stuck. I would call the Ohio state patrol and explain your situation, ask them to run the vin for stolen, and go from there. And if the guy that sold you this car is a member here and reading this (I ***ume it's an old car) you're a piece of **** buddy. Karma will come for you.

 

Road trip........ I find that face to face interaction works better.
The detachment of internet/long distance transactions can leave far too much wriggle room.

 

I had no idea there were so many legal experts here. Who knew so many lawyers were into traditional hot rods?

 

Do you suppose it's possible that the seller himself has "only a photo" of the ***le, but not the actual ***le itself? Perhaps a previous "owner" sold the vehicle to him and only supplied him with a photo of the ***le, but not an actual valid ***le? And now the current "owner", realizing his misfortune, is trying to flip the vehicle to anyone he can to cut his losses.

This is where at the very least you might want a single photo that shows the ***le, the seller's face and the front page of today's newspaper! Actually, the OP's photo of the ***le might contain some interesting EXIF data, like the date and time when the photo was originally taken, make and model of the camera, maybe even the camera owner's name and GPS coordinates of where the photo was taken. All digital photos have at least some of this EXIF data attached, especially smart phone photos.

 

If the seller could do all this, wouldn't it just be simpler to mail the ***le, if he's on the up and up? Sadly, our OP did just about everything wrong. Without strong-arming, I think a personal visit is the only way to truly resolve this matter.
In the meantime, I have this statue of my Granny that I am only selling because my mama is sick and my children are hungry...

 

Believe it, or not, most laws are written in plain English, and are not hard to understand.

The only people that will insist otherwise are lawyers and liars.

 

Really simple .

Really , Really simple .

it’s gonna cost you , but it’s quite easy .couple things you can do .


1. Call a lawyer , pay him . And ask your question and get a valid LEGAL answer .

2. contact the sheriff in his county and see what they can do legally .

3. jump in a car or plane and head down there snd knock on his door , no threats , no loud voices . Simply there in person gets folks “ doing the right thing” pretty quick . I do this all the time at work when we have billing issues or workmanship issues with customers , after weeks of back and forth via e-mails or phone calls I drive out to the their place of business and talk to them sort out the issues at hand and come to a resolution , and leave.

4. This is a question , do you have a bill of sale? , email , ?smoke signal ?, letter carried by an African swallow ?
My point is any form of do***entation that proves he’s broken your contract ?

and number 5 is simply to jump on the band wagon and ..

 

The seller obviously has done everything (or perhaps nothing) to prove that he's not on the up-and-up.

My thought is that any additional background information could be helpful in reaching an acceptable resolution.

 

Oh man , I have witnessed bad outcomes from this type of “ deal “. I am by no means saying resort to violence , just sharing what happens over bad deals like this .

I had a Buddy paid big $$ for a Knucklehead , it was shipped , ***le was for a Knuckle but not this Knuckle . Engine case has identification numbers stamped into it , not the same numbers .He contacts the seller . POS says “ hey the add said 47 Knuckle with ***le , it didn’t say correct ***le . Stamp new numbers and shut up !”

Buddy rode 2 days , put a note on the garage door and lit road flare in the truck front seat . The note said “ hey sorry you had a fire , maybe sell this truck with incorrect ***le at your garage fire sale coming up .”

Didn’t fix a damn thing , but I’m hopeful , the seller learned takin advantage of an honest trusting person , can be a rather bad thing to do , and maybe not do it again .

 

first thing I'd do is move the car to a buddies house. as for owning a shop so he's on the up and up... it is very easy to get in way over your head when you own a Hot Rod shop. people do a lot of crazy things when that happens.

I have been binge watching westerns on my smart TV lately, I'd get on my horse and ride out there. that's how everything is settled in westerns.

 

Back in the late '80's, there was a dealer who went to jail for a brief time for not providing a ***le to a vehicle within 30 days. That was a legal matter, and also happened in my native Ohio. Being an interstate deal, the law may not want to get involved, but a call to the Attorney General's office there will get you some definitive answers.

 

To the OP, you've received a lot of sincere advice here.
Weed thru the advice given, and pursue what works for you, but what ever direction you take, do it sooner rather than later, time can become a factor.
Good luck, none of us on here want to see somebody get scammed.

 

Wonder if the shop put the car up for collateral and that person/business has the real ***le and that is why they only have a picture of it until they take care of that? Shop might be having financial problems and might be snowballin' on them now. borrow from Peter to pay Paul type situation?

Sorry no real help but I can make wild speculation like the next guy and have this moved back to the front. I would like to see a good result happen here as I have fallen for waiting for ***les that I have never gotten in my younger past many moons ago.

 

I have been through this myself, and while the seller came through and sent the ***le a few months later, well, lesson learned.

My advice would be to tread carefully, and err on the side of caution when necessary. Better to take longer and wait than to tick the seller off and get shut out from all communication. Keep in contact, be polite (to the point of being too polite), and be patient. You never know what's happening in someone else's life that may be causing the delay, and while that's is no excuse for providing a ***le upfront, things are almost never black and white, so employing a little bit of patience is far better than the opposite.

 

First off, that's absolutely not true. 99.9% of people don't have a "lawyer on retainer". I'd also like to point out how insanely idiotic such a thought is, considering how widely varying areas of the law are, and how no one attorney could ever dream of being an expert, or even remotely competent, in all of them. Legal needs differ greatly, and someone who is in the need of counsel would best be served contacting someone who is an expert in that given area of the law. I'm a certified civil trial attorney practicing in personal injury law. My wife is one of the top elder law attorneys in the State of NJ. Neither of us would touch what the other does with a 10 foot pole because we don't know what we're doing. Recently we bought another property, and we hired a real estate lawyer to handle the deal, since neither of us practice in real estate. Many attorneys do not charge a consultation fee, and fees for services can vary greatly from around $200 an hour to over $500 an hour. I think for a basic issue like the one you're talking about, you're probably closer to the former than the latter. Depending on how much you paid for the car, the legal services will be significantly cheaper than taking a total L on the car. And depending on the laws of the State your dealing with, there could be a fee shifting provision that imposes your legal fees on the adverse party. This is why it's so important to talk to someone who actually knows what the **** they're talking about instead of making some b**** comment about "lawyers and police".

Also, while it is true that police generally do not involve themselves in civil matters, this is not a strictly civil matter. This is a criminal matter in that someone sold something and now refuses to turn over the ***le to it. That's arguably theft, and the criminal courts do have the ability to impose res***ution where it is appropriate.

It doesn't hurt to make a phone call or two to some local attorneys who may be able to help. Maybe a strongly worded letter is all it will take to see this deal through to completion. If you don't know of any attorneys who you'd want to work with, you can contact your local county bar ***ociation, give them a little info about your situation, and they can point you in the direction of someone who might be able to help. Good luck.

 

^^^^Best advice yet^^^

 

He must have gotten it. He didn't come back

 

Be happy you don't live in Nebraska, you might have to push it in the corner and forget it or move it on to someone in a state where they can get it ***led.

 

The OP did not verify a ***le existed
before paying for the vehicle.
The OP has picked up the vehicle
and transported it to another state.
The OP has possession of the vehicle
in a different state.

Now - the OP is concerned about the ***le ?

The issue of the ***le is a civil matter.

Hiring an attorney is cost prohibitive.

Jim

 

Got a ***le?

 

Sure I have a ***le. I am calling it "Liberty Enlightening the World"

 

Sorry to hear that you are having this issue, but on a positive note...Ohio is one of the easiest states to deal with when it comes to ***le work! I have owned more than 200 cars in my lifetime & have always been able to work out any ***le issues that came up.

Hopefully this guy will step up & come through soon. Saying he is on the up & up because he owns a shop is like saying ALL transporters are honest like me!....It is just NOT the case!

God Bless
Bill
https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum...ar-transport-hauling-open-or-enclosed.614419/

 

@jdm1932 So , whahappen ?

 

If one were to disagree with previous comments, does that mean they’re en***LEd to their own opinion? I’ll let myself out.