hotrods with International V8s?

So i hear that the International Harvester V8s can be made to put out wicked torque. I have a scout with a 266 in it, and the gears have been spinning for quite a while now.

I know they weight about the same as a hemi or BBC, and get stupid gas milage(who cares)

Does any one have pictures of rods with Binder engines?

 

Traditionally, NO hotrods had international truck motors!

 

No pics...but I've got lots of ideas..

 

such as?

 

I've got a '26 Willys Whippet 2dr Sedan, and I'm pretty sure I can talk my grandpa out of a spare IH V8...That would go great with a 4-71 blower on a custom intake, and a T5 with an adapter..Top the 4-71 with a couple of stromburglers and throw a 9inch or a Halibrand QC out back..maybe some white wall slicks, chop the top a bit, a nice pale metallic blue, white interior, white engine, chrome valve covers, and some engine machining by my good buddy bill...And I'd have one hell of a different ride..

Of course I've got to finish my '25 Dodge with a straight 8 olds, and then start on my rear engined '34 Chevy p/u...Oh and then I need a place to put a 303 olds and a 223 Ford, and a 320 Buick...I've got to much shit..

IH engines are cool as hell though, my grandpa hopped up the slant 4 in his Scout a bit, 2 Demon 98's on a custom intake and a small turbo..It's pretty cool...

 

Mines just a stock motor out of a travelall. The only thing it has going for it right now is the fact that it runs, and it has the 4bbl intake with a Holley. It has some bitchin script valve covers. And its DIFFERENT than a flathead V8, or a SBC. 154HP stock and 225 +/- torque. The valves on it are rediculous. I hear they make cams and aluminum intakes for them now.

Im going to take a look at a '32 Plymouth tommorrow, Im thinking chop channel, WWWs w/babymoons, Yellow paint w/checker roof. Cuz its a 4door sedan, and i need a ride that can accomidate a car seat.

 

Traditional not really different yes.
If thats what you want then go for it they are pretty cool looking engines.Hell most people would scratch thee heads.And if I remember right the valve covers kinda look like the later poly 318.I had a 345 ih and if memory serves me right the intake ports were pretty big as well as the exhaust,they might breath good.
Here is some blown IH 345 on a dyno for you to enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqdYVwVrX1E

 

I say go for it. IH power sounds real cool when blown, The Utube Vid is way Cool. There is a Guy at Bonneville running a early Hemi with Internation on the Hemi valve covers. He tells people the special Hemi IH came in a few trucks.

 

Highly doubt any old school hot rods ever had Intl engine in it, the only truck motor I ever saw in one was a 409.

 

My old Tex Smith engine swapping book lists the international V8 at an even 800 lbs. Nothing else comes close except for the early 392 hemi at 765.

That vid is pretty cool.

 

I have a great-running totally complete low mileage 4bbl 345 engine out of a 1980 scout (scrapped due to rust and bad trans) available here in Milwaukee, Wi. Was keeping it as a spare, but no longer am running IH dump trucks...

I would rather sell it cheap and see it get used than scrap it. Anyone interested?

 

I think my 320 Buick 8 is at or over 750..

 

I don't doubt it. Even the '51 263 I picked up for my '41 sedanette was no light weight.

Tex didn't list the straight 8 in his book.

 

A couple points to bring up here.
#1, the 266, 304, 345, and 392 are the "SV" series (for "small V8") International engines. If your 266 has a 4 barrel manifold, it's a priceless collector's item to be eBay'ed off to some rich IH collector, because they were never built. The 4bbl manifolds were only built for the 345 and 392, which had a taller deck, thus wider intake manifold, than the 266 and 304, which were only available with a 2bbl manifold. To determine what CID engine you have for sure, peek on the block, just above where the right motor mount is. The size is punched in right there on a little pad on the block.

Schneider makes several cams for the SV series engines, and IH Only North makes aluminum intakes fro the 345, and last I heard they were working on one for the 304. The 345 one is dyno proven to make ONE more hp than stock, but is set up to make MPFI a lot simpler. They are also $550.

#2, the blown 345 on the video is in a Scout II now. The owner told me that it made 432hp/501tq on an engine dyno. For the coin he has in it...that ain't squat.

If you want different, go for it! If you want power, stay away from it. My DD is a 1980 Scout II with a '97 Trans Am LT1 in it where the cammed 304 used to sit, BTW. No comparing the power of these two mills.

 

Found this thread, thought I would add my 2 cents to the mix.

Jeff Clouse of Ohio had his Scout shown in Four Wheeler several years ago. He ran a 392 with a BDS blower and EFI. It dynoed 700hp. It was the first street EFI conversion that Craig Railsback at BDS did. I spoke with Jeff personally and he said that it got just over 15mpg in a Scout II running 44" tires.

I have an I.C. (improved cooling) 392 that I bought reman from Navistar about 10 years ago. I took it to a local shop and had them go through it. It's got just under 500hp running a Sig Erson cam, Comp valve springs, balancing, and major head work. I think my total into the motor is around $6000.00 Canadian. Seems about right to me for that kind of HP, plus it is very unique. Roller rockers are now available from Murphy's Motor Service (google them). They are I think $475.00 for a set.

jn6047

 

Was that the black Scout with white Rallye stripes?

 

This is a quote from you from another thread. These numbers are different. Which are right? 15 MPG sounds like a lot for that combo.

 

Which is right?
And a quote from another forum with yet more numbers.

 

There is quite a bit more available for the IH V8's then most realize. The 4x4 and Rock Crawler group love Scouts and some aftermarket stuff has started to pop up. One of those Satuday morning car shows on Spike even built up a 304 and converted it to run on Ethanol.

I have a '67 266 sitting in the shed waiting for a home. I have always thought it would look great in a mid 30's IH pickup running without the hood and hood sides.

It would be great to see a rod with an IH engine in it.

 

The guys in the bus shop when I was in Viet Nam stuck a bigger international v-8 in the school bus we used for getting to work. Had a Holley 4barrell and duals. Fastest school bus in Viet Nam.

 

I heard the automatic IH v8's were mated to BB mopar 727's. Any truth in this?

 

They are mated to 727's but I don't know if they are identical to the BB MOPAR units. It's likely though, since that would have been cheaper then somehow modifying them.

 

wow ! that was cool !!

 

Yes and no. Yes 727, no not the same bolt pattern.

I have a 345 4bbl and T19 waiting to go into something old, but I wouldn't call it a hot rod....just an old truck with power and torque.

 

Not the BBM bolt pattern on most Scouts...but from '76-'79 there were naturally aspirated Nissan diesel powered ones...and the automatic transmission used behind those was BB Mopar bolt pattern, from what I've been told. I've got one of these Nissan diesel/automatic powered Scouts, but I'm not a Mopar guy, so I can't say if it is the same or not.

 

If you want different go for it but as said before they are HEAVY and except for the blower app. IHC V8s don't breath worth a damn. For the guys who might dissagree with me, I've seen the flow chart and they would need MAJOR port work to do any good. Big don't always cut it they have to bend the right way too. Good for pulling stumps though.

 

I wouldn't put one in a hot rod. Just the name "Binder" would keep it from being used.

 

You got a real dog for power. I worked for them back in the early to late 70's and we told them that diesel would not fly, but they went with it anyway. Too bad, because it put a bad name to diesel power.

 

Different is cool, but six grand for 500hp seems a bit steep.

 

I know it! Mine's a turbo diesel 1980 that I slapped an auto behind to be different. I also upped the boost to about 15 psi (from 6-8) and turned up the fuel pump a bit, added a 2.5" mandrel bent exhaust, opened up the intake, and may eventually intercool. Honestly, it's probably gonna be around 120-140hp all said and done. It's sitting there in an incomplete Scout right now. My DD is a 1980 that WAS a diesel, but I put a '97 Trans Am LT1 in. It runs good.